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22 Jan 2009, 7:21 pm

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At least a serial killer understands that what he is doing is sick.


Some do, some don't.


Okay well. For the sake of comparisons, alright?



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22 Jan 2009, 7:21 pm

I think everyone is just alarmed because this is not a typical child-like thing to do.

FrogGirl, there's no need to jump to the conclusion that your child is a serial killer, hoever I do think you need to take this behavior very seriously. I think reprimanding him and sending him to his room may be a bit mild but please at least make sure he understands that he hurt the cat. Perhaps ask him how it feels when he gets a scrape and he will probably tell you that it hurts, then you can use that to help him relate to what he was doing to the cat. Perhaps he does not understand. But he must be made to understand. Please do not take this behavior lightly.



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22 Jan 2009, 7:25 pm

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FrogGirl, I am so sorry how you've been treated through this thread. I think what we have all learned is that this forum is like any other on the web: NEVER post anything too personal, too revealing or too intimate. The f u c k-tards (see list above) will never pass up an opportunity to pass judgement on another person so long as they can walk away feeling better about themselves.


This is just pathetic.


I completely agree. The numerous reactions to a concerned mother's post have been quite pathetic.



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22 Jan 2009, 7:26 pm

I don't think he will become a serial killer, but his behaviour needs to be corrected before he is older and stronger. I don't agree with violence, especially kicking a child because he kicks a dog. If my parents kicked me after I kicked someone I wouldn't see it as a punishment but something that was acceptable to do and I'd probably kick them back.
I think for now your son needs to be supervised while with the cats, and you should teach him how to care for the cats and what's not allowed.
I admit when I was a kid that I was not very nice to my pets, but I probably did have some emotional problems. I used to think I shouldn't have pets, but I've never hurt an animal for no reason for a long time.



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22 Jan 2009, 7:27 pm

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They are not so evil, those serial killers. They are just curious, you know... they just love to watch the victim's convultions, interiour organs.. and so on


Serial killers are evil. They're sick, but also evil.

I'd like you to read up on a man called Ed Gein. He was the real-life ghoul upon whom the fictitious ghoul Hannibal Lecter was based.

It was an irony. Bodhi said that to be curious does not mean to be cruel, sort of. Sort of if you are cutting somebody's body parts out of curiousity - it is ok... as long as you do not particularly care if you make the creature suffer.



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22 Jan 2009, 7:33 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
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FrogGirl, I am so sorry how you've been treated through this thread. I think what we have all learned is that this forum is like any other on the web: NEVER post anything too personal, too revealing or too intimate. The f u c k-tards (see list above) will never pass up an opportunity to pass judgement on another person so long as they can walk away feeling better about themselves.


This is just pathetic.


I completely agree. The numerous reactions to a concerned mother's post have been quite pathetic.

I am affraid Rainbow Squirrel meant that it was your post, which was pathetic, not other posts. :oops:



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22 Jan 2009, 7:34 pm

^ Right

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I completely agree. The numerous reactions to a concerned mother's post have been quite pathetic.


Yeah, thanks God there are still good and warm-hearted people that really care... :lol:



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22 Jan 2009, 7:34 pm

Naturella wrote:
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FrogGirl, I am so sorry how you've been treated through this thread. I think what we have all learned is that this forum is like any other on the web: NEVER post anything too personal, too revealing or too intimate. The f u c k-tards (see list above) will never pass up an opportunity to pass judgement on another person so long as they can walk away feeling better about themselves.


This is just pathetic.


I completely agree. The numerous reactions to a concerned mother's post have been quite pathetic.

I am affraid Rainbow Squirrel meant that it was your post, which was pathetic, not other posts. :oops:

He knows that. He was being contrary and using Rainbow-Squirrel's words against him.



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22 Jan 2009, 7:35 pm

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Our son is older (he's five) and his behaviour hasn't improved a great deal. He's now under strict orders relating to the dog and any attempt at harmful behaviour now results in 2 x the same/similar behaviour to him. (we wouldn't cut his ears off though). We've decided that he needs to associate causing pain to the dog with receiving pain himself. Thus far it seems to be working but we're constantly on guard. If we see him kick out at the dog, he receives a sharp kick/hit if he misses and two if he connects.



this is legal in Australia? 8O


No... Sadly most things that parents do in most countries aren't strictly legal. We don't try to hurt him - just shock him.

Assuming for a minute that Dog and Boy remain forever in reasonable proximity, that dog is older and nice enough to not fight back and that boy keeps doing things to the dog regardless of what is said to him - and that sanctions, removal of toys, sweets etc have zero effect....
Do you have a better idea?



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22 Jan 2009, 7:36 pm

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I am affraid Rainbow Squirrel meant that it was your post, which was pathetic, not other posts. :oops:


I was very aware of that. I was being sardonic.



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22 Jan 2009, 7:37 pm

Er. I think things are being taken a bit out of context here.

How about everyone just chills and we wait to see what the kid says or does? I'm pretty sure everyone got their point across, heh.



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22 Jan 2009, 7:39 pm

gbollard wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
gbollard wrote:

Our son is older (he's five) and his behaviour hasn't improved a great deal. He's now under strict orders relating to the dog and any attempt at harmful behaviour now results in 2 x the same/similar behaviour to him. (we wouldn't cut his ears off though). We've decided that he needs to associate causing pain to the dog with receiving pain himself. Thus far it seems to be working but we're constantly on guard. If we see him kick out at the dog, he receives a sharp kick/hit if he misses and two if he connects.



this is legal in Australia? 8O


No... Sadly most things that parents do in most countries aren't strictly legal. We don't try to hurt him - just shock him.

Assuming for a minute that Dog and Boy remain forever in reasonable proximity, that dog is older and nice enough to not fight back and that boy keeps doing things to the dog regardless of what is said to him - and that sanctions, removal of toys, sweets etc have zero effect....
Do you have a better idea?


hey I never said I disapprove, quite the opposite. in Sweden they would probably put your kid in foster care for something like that though... so... don't go to Sweden ;p


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22 Jan 2009, 7:41 pm

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22 Jan 2009, 7:46 pm

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I think everyone is just alarmed because this is not a typical child-like thing to do.

FrogGirl, there's no need to jump to the conclusion that your child is a serial killer, hoever I do think you need to take this behavior very seriously. I think reprimanding him and sending him to his room may be a bit mild but please at least make sure he understands that he hurt the cat. Perhaps ask him how it feels when he gets a scrape and he will probably tell you that it hurts, then you can use that to help him relate to what he was doing to the cat. Perhaps he does not understand. But he must be made to understand. Please do not take this behavior lightly.

I very much agree. As I have already told - pretending to be calm and treating the whole thing as if he just spilt his soup at dinner - is the worst thing the mother can do. Absolutely the worst.
At least the mother should have shown that she is terrified. That it is an unspeakable thing to do. That she is appauled by his behaviour. This is what a kid WANTS TO KNOW. Children do things and watch the reactions of others. This is how they learn what is ok and what is awful. It is up to parents to decide about punishment. But it absolutely important to show their true, genuine emotions (without denigrating the kid, nevertheless). And not fake calmness.



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22 Jan 2009, 7:56 pm

gbollard wrote:
No... Sadly most things that parents do in most countries aren't strictly legal. We don't try to hurt him - just shock him.

Assuming for a minute that Dog and Boy remain forever in reasonable proximity, that dog is older and nice enough to not fight back and that boy keeps doing things to the dog regardless of what is said to him - and that sanctions, removal of toys, sweets etc have zero effect....
Do you have a better idea?

Train the dog to bite him every time he goes near him, then no doubt he will stop ;)

Seriously, although maybe that isn't such a bad idea? anyway...
A counsellor would be nice,
Or, get rid of the dog, for his own sake.

I believe pensieve has a point, the kid might learn to act "nice" to avoid punishment or avoid being hurt himself, if there is no one there to stop him, he might hurt the dog and others as long as he can get away with it, so that probably would be the lesson he could learn, "avoid getting caught".

In the end, I'm so glad I don't have children ;)


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22 Jan 2009, 7:57 pm

He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.
(Proverbs 13:24, NIV)
'Nuff said.

Just kidding. But as a precaution, strictly prohibit all forms of physical contact between your son and the cat! That means no touching the cat with any object whatsoever, no grabbing the cat, no picking it up, no petting, no touching with even one finger. If the cat is about to get itself into a dangerous situation, your son will have to come call you, since physical contact with the cat is prohibited. He can still be allowed to look at the cat or even talk to it, but nothing else. If he enjoys inflicting pain on others, there are BDSM dungeons he can visit after he turns 18. In the meantime, he'll have to be kept away from the cat. Sorry, that's just the way it is.



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