*The Medicalization of Society*

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Scary stuff. Both for "nightbender" and
That's so insane. There's gotta be someone, somewhere... Has anyone with credentials tried collecting and documenting cases like this? I wouldn't hope for a class action suit or anything, just make a case so that it would be possible to get someone out of that situation. Then again, someone in that situation wouldn't be able to call for help.
----where are those Aspie ninjas shrinks when you need them----

It's tragic and what we're aware of is only a drop in the bucket.

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Did you guys read the article in that link?
It's fairly long. I read the whole article last night.
I know things are bad....but ....I hadn't a clue how bad...
It's worth at least skim-reading the entire piece.

Some of us here at WP have been concerned about a pre-natal test which could be used to selectively abort autistic fetuses...But that little gem of research ingenuity hasn't been fully implemented yet...at least to the best of my knowledge, it hasn't. There have been a number of recent threads on the subject. When you fully comprehend how jaw-droppingly far the medical status quo has already come in that line of thinking [over the last 70 yrs]--and taking into consideration prevailing views toward autism in general--it seems only a matter of time...After familiarizing oneself with the facts and past history, it does look inevitable.
We have at most a few years to self-educate, let it sink in, and decide what to do...more realistically the window is 10-18 months. We definitely need to do our homework and get up to speed ASAP ......um, that is, if we care to...influence the probable fate of future autistics.

Eugenics for the social/medical label "mentally ill"--has been thoroughly cemented into the psychiatric establishment and health care professions. It seems to be vitally important that we of the autism community--have a fundamental grasp of what the eugenics agenda consists of today, as well as in years past. It appears to be the very backbone entrenched deeply into psychiatric treatment of the so-called mentally ill...Needn't bother worrying about whether or not it will be implemented as it has been a vital component--if not the very framework--underlying psychiatric "cure" for decades already. For the past 70 years, psychiatric eugenics program derived from the Nazis...or so it seems. Undesirable [read dysfunctional, disordered, deviant, political activist etc.] elements of German society were first transferred to mental institutions and from there mainlined into concentration camps for extermination or if the so-called derangement wasn't too severe--for recruitment into the slave labor force, or as guinea pigs for diabolical experimentation.

Apparently, at one time since WWII, a total of 1/3 of practicing psychiatrists in the U.S. were former Nazis. The eugenics social agenda may have initially started in the U.S. prior to WWII, and has been going strong ever since. The Nazis can be credited with fine-tuning and refining the practice to near perfection. However Big Pharma has been exquisitely cooperative and, without them, eugenics of the mentally ill could not have reached the superb heights to which it currently enjoys--in terms of social status, power and prestige.

The OP topic is medicalization of society. This has been going on for the last 100-150 years. The Salem Witchcraft "trials" were a sign of the times. Innocent women and a few men were burned at the stake or otherwise terminated primarily for the usage of harmless natural treatments and remedies.

As the label mentally ill is expanded to include an ever increasing segment of the population, more and more people will be in danger of termination....or even worse, resigned to a life of total misery and hell. When looking at this in terms of logistics, however, it seems more cost-effective to simply opt for termination of the undesirables, the unfit, the dysfunctional, the socially deviant.......

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This post made me think. Not only the AS people but everyone else should be concerned. It's a lot out of this on so called conspiracy sites. Vaccination programs, fluoride, chemtrails.. etc. The elite of the world wants a non aware population, that way they can more easily slip the final solution through.
What made people think that the idea of a super-race died with the third reich? Or for that matter that governments just want the peoples best? When did that happen? Just like hundred years ago, they tried to make you believe that.
When people escaped from the tyrannies in europe, to get a new start in America, the tyrannies started all over again.
Many profiled nazies was held back from the Nürnberg process and brought in to USA, in order to give the west a jumpstart into the cold war, due to their scientific knowledge.
Nazies was very into the effect on fluoride in the human brain, and they had six millions to test their theories on.
No wonder the medication of the population has developed the way it has, when the goal is to get rid of 80-90% of the population in the next twenty years.

I skimmed through the linked site, looks like it was thrown together by a bunch of crazy people, or people whose minds have been rotted by psyche drugs, or for that matter, street drugs. Kind of hard to take it seriously. I'm paranoid enough without reading all of that crazy conspiracy stuff, not that I'm a disbeliever of the idea that we are all being controlled to a great extent by the government(s) - but that site seems to have jumped off the cliff of reality into a pit of utter madness. I realize that anything we can imagine is likely to be possible, if not now, in the future - thus, Science Fiction, which I adore. In fact, I often find myself wondering if there is a camera inside my computer taking my picture and scrutinizing my posts, but I've heard other people say that they think about things like this as well, so I know that I am not alone in that kind of thinking.

But I think this kind of sight is an open house for the severely insane, inviting them to share their stories without having to provide any real credentials or documentation to back up who they are and what's happened to them. Are secret mind implants actually being done on unsuspecting people, leaving them as zombies, mindlessly doing the will of their master? Perhaps not actual implants, but chemicals could be used to do that, and I personally know someone to whom this has happened a first cousin about the same age as me. I spent summers with her in northern New York state. She seemed a little odd, but by no means crazy. I got married and lost touch with her. She was diagnosed with 'Developmental Psychosis" when she was about 25, this would have been around 1965, and put on meds and then eventually, started acting bizarre and was put into "residence" to rot away, out of sight and out of mind. I went to visit her about 10 years ago. I couldn't believe my eyes. This girl seemed perfectly normal to me when we were sixteen, swimming in the lake, baking chocolate chip cookies, selling movie tickets and pop corn at her father's movie theater. What could have turned her into a zombie? I think she had Asperger's and was diagnosed incorrectly.

@ cc
I wasn't interested in reading anything on that site except the article, which if you typed in the link properly, leads right to the article. The post had the link in 2 parts for security purposes. I started with giving a link direct to the article, then thought better of it. If you go back and follow their instructions combining the 2 parts into a single web-address, it takes you direct to the article, bypassing the looney tunes..If you haven't looked at the article, then logically there is no position from which to judge whether it is garbage or not....your mission should you choose to accept it......etc. ..I love sci fi. Guess that's obvious.

If you use the link I provided, read carefully, follow the instructions...I think you will find out what happened to your cousin and how--in terms of biochemical processes, if you understand that sort of thing. More importantly you will understand why. good luck agent cc.

you're pretty cool, Alba.

Before my previous post, I followed instructions to get to article and instead got a very entertaining bot telling me the page could not be found followed by a long tirade of how terrible his lot in life is and how un or under appreciated he is. I thought "something very strange going on here" and tried to copy the text the bot was spewing, but as it was coming in a swift vertical marquee format, it was virtually impossible to copy it. It was probably code for something like "Get us the hell out of here." Anyway, guess I'll go back again and see what's cookin'.


Twenty minutes later:
Aha. Got on the right bus this time around. Saw what's cooking and it stinks big time. Code name: "Uncle Eugene's sauerkraut".

A previous very relevant thread, " The Mental Hygiene Movement and Autism" by Woodpeace, which I have just bumped, is at:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt92980.html

especially http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp2095899.html#2095899 onwards, and page 2 at:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp2096077

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EUGENICS is a mind-blowingly fascinating subject as it bears directly on the present state of the autism community...... as well as those currently living with any kind of psychiatric diagnostic label.

In all probability, American mental hygiene and German racial hygiene immediately prior to and during the Second World War--were in bed together. Along with them.... Big Pharma went along for the financial ride. It appears that in our current state of affairs--Big Pharma sits at the top of the medical pyramid, directly manipulated by what or who?....the power elite?? Contrary to popular belief, it appears that the Eugenics Movement did not cease after WWII with the defeat of Nazi Germany. It only got stronger. And stronger. And stronger. And it went underground.

Some have even gone so far as to imply that Nazi Eugenics was created in the U.S. ..... Edwin Black has authored a book called: War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race.

There are 2 YouTube videos on the subject. One is on deadly psychiatry. The other is on the connection between U.S. eugenics, psychiatry and Nazi Germany...... Psychiatry: Instrument of Death and The Nazi Doctors, American Eugenics & Psychiatry. I'm not able to get YouTube....so they may be garbage or excellent or somewhere inbetween.

HUMAN RIGHTS ALERT: 36 [of 50] U.S. states now allow for Involuntary Outpatient Commitment via court order. This is something right out of Brave New World! ! If you google that or else Outpatient Commitment Statutes, you can get all kinds of nifty information on just how far the underground eugenics movement has progressed via psychiatric medical practice and Big Pharma's collusion...since the end of WWII. Some of the information I was able to uncover stated that Big Pharma is directly financing these laws. I won't go into details due to personal nausea.... mental as well as physical.

Since discovering the connection between Nazi doctors and U.S. psychiatrists, and also that the IOC laws have been recently passed....for instance 2005 in Florida....it becomes immediately obvious that the previously underground eugenics movement is no longer underground. They are operating completely out in the open. Hellllooooo.... Majority of the people are preoccupied and have better things to do than notice something huge and sinister is afoot and stalking prey.....like a giant with tentacles that can reach inside your home and take you unawares...

And one has to ask why is the eugenics medical movement boldly out in the open now? The answer perhaps is that they have no fear of reprisal. Kind of like David and Goliath and they are Goliath, the giant. Collectively we-the-people are David....up against a giant consolidation of medical/pharmacological/government power. If Obama doesn't deal lobbyists a severe blow and level the playing field...Big Pharma and their psychiatric lapdogs will find their way into a good-sized chunk of homes world-wide, or perhaps they already have. Unfortunately they have most of the financial leverage as well as local police and military to force compliance. This is not a happy scenario. It is downright appalling.

Ephesians 6:12.....For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


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Very scary stuff. Makes Dan Brown read like nursery rhymes.

Very. It's why I love films like "The Matrix", "Dark City", "Brazil", "Safe", "The Fly", etc , because they allow one to experience/explore one's "frameworks of perception"/myths of reality in a projected, ( clearly fictional ), form.

When I used to eat wheat/gluten I found this sort of information and ideas too invasive/terrifying, and got into some mega hypo-manic-depressive states, as if I was living in a horror-film myself.

I had little or no sense of being in the world, a part of the world; in fact the first time I went on an exclusion diet, ( cutting out gluten, casein/dairy, sugar etc ), I was amazed, and overwhelmed with relief, to discover that rather than the world being in my head, ( so that in a way I was personally responsible for it ), which made living like a nightmare, that there were things out there/outside of me, clouds for instance. Totally understand why the "Is there anybody out there?" sort of space is hell.

Threads like this one has become would have had me either up in arms, indignant, righteous, manically-grandose and impossible to live with, ( as housemates, and ex-friends, from that period could attest ), or cowering in a corner, ( including hours/days in bed fantasising ).

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^^Your reaction is somewhat surprising...I'm hoping to address the patronizing remarks on diet. If this isn't to your satisfaction, you are welcome to take it up in PM. Otherwise--this is the end of it--in regards to diet discussion [as it is obvious we must agree to disagree].

Begs the question:
Were the facts and information valid and true? Were your fears justified? Were they solidly based in reality? OR
Were the facts and information false, fantasy? Were your fears a figment of your imagination? Were you being paranoid?
The distinction between the two is obviously relevant.
Perhaps another thread on the low-carb diet is needed..


WP members are allowed to speak their mind contingent upon abiding by the rules. The OP can only guide the thread he or she has started....they can't be in total control of everything that is said on that thread. Although some PPR regulars seem to have gotten the hang of it, to some degree..You might want to check out their style for pointers..

The OP is invited to exercise, at her discretion, more guidance and steering of the thread, if it is not progressing to her satisfaction ..

Negative utopia books and movies like The Matrix, 1984 and Brave New World.....weren't just paranoid fantasies. To fully realize the extent these "fantasies" have actually come to fruition--is to be awake, alert, responsible and concerned.. The truth is often stranger than fiction....

mosez...much of what you've written here, I am currently researching. Until certain personal events transpired last year, causing alarm, I wasn't too concerned. Due to the fact that it became necessary to hire an attorney to protect my family from the medicalization of society....I now see things in a different light. When a significant minority of the population feels the need to hire attorneys to protect their right to keep their family intact, or to stay out of jail for failing to force family members to take dangerous drugs [not properly tested]....the facts need to be uncovered. When certain dangerous drugs continue in circulation ONLY because they are used on undesirable elements of society---such policies need to be challenged. If there is a hidden agenda behind such policies, it needs to be brought out in the open. When we are doing a great job of protecting family members and we are brought into court with accusations of neglect [for refusing to forcibly administer poison to loved ones]....something needs be done about it.

When we are no longer able to adequately protect family members due to the cost of hiring a highly skilled attorney, that isn't cool; that isn't acceptable. Due to the global recession, many with the need to hire attorneys, will not be able to do so. Thus they may be at risk.

In regards to these things, discernment is crucial. Panic should be avoided, but sharp clear thinking is a prerequisite for this kind of investigation....

Good luck with that. How can you learn about this stuff without going through a panic phase?



And if society is happy with a person who is a loveable good-ol’-boy, offering plenty of Bread-and-Circuses to cover up blatant practices such as genocide; wars of aggression; robbing the country while it’s having a heart attack; allowing thousands to be killed or displaced because they are undesirable (Katrina); torture of anyone who annoys him, including children; using the Constitution for toilet paper; murdering 3,000 of our own people, on our own soil, in a single day, in broad daylight; and generally screwing up everything he touches and destroying the planet, you can totally forget the idea that being a “Psychopath” is a “Disorder,” too. (If Bush doesn’t qualify as having a severe “disorder,” then no one does. What was that about a person who “doesn't talk, work or interact with others, bangs; screams, smashes and crashes…”?)



Ummm… That may be true (I’m not convinced) but the time when that attitude will be useful is such a long way off, it’s not really worth talking about (it’s academic).

The keepers of the asylum have very little supervision, and the powers-that-be who are supposed to be watching over the keepers have no keepers of their own, are out of control and out of anyone’s control. No one is in charge. That’s some serious mental gymnastics. The world will be convinced of atheism before it will buy that.

My argument is just the opposite, that it’s the powers-that-be who “can’t help” the way they are, have very little free will, and that they can’t control their own aggressive/conformist/fascist tendencies. They are mindlessly rebuilding the Tower of Babel, and dragging the world with them down the road to hell. They are digging their own graves.

We are just the canaries in this coal mine. Being stuffed in a box that doesn’t fit makes us “dysfunctional” a little sooner, if by “functional” you mean the ability to conform to a world that requires you to lie, cheat, steal, back stab, abuse, dominate, bear false witness, condemn...

The boxes we are being stuffed into are getting smaller and smaller, and it’s making everyone crazy.




If we ever create a kind of Ten Commandments for an Aspie civil rights group, I would say that somewhere on the list would be a rule that we should should NOT “stick together, right or wrong.” Just toss ‘em overboard, because they are not really ours. It’s not just that they’re dead weight; it’s that they are actively drilling holes in the hull. (I’m taking extreme liberties with one of Plato’s rants about drilling holes in the bottom of the ship, but I don’t think he would mind.)

A lunatic may, coincidentally, be an Aspie, but that is not the reason for his crime or relevant to the prosecution or the defense. Any more than being Black can be used as an excuse for chasing your wife around with a hatchet. The color of his skin is not a cause. It is something else (co-morbid).

One could argue that being an Aspie inspired some form of abuse or mistreatment, in which case, Post Traumatic Stress could be a part of the defense. Or maybe the bad school or the pharmaceutical company could be defendants in some kind of counter-claim. (I wonder if the ACLU would support a test case like that.) Of course that’s a little far-fetched, but even more illogical is the idea of tracing his troubles back, Through the abuse or neglect, and blaming Asperger’s without even acknowledging the abuse or neglect as a factor.

The most honest approach would be to admit that society itself is out of control, and that both the victim and the defendant are casualties. The uncontrollable defendant must be managed somehow, but not as a criminal.


Well, I never did figure out the point of the clothing laws. Also, I’ve seen a few people around here complain of seems and textures. So, I would think that the only possible uniform would be… Maybe not. At our age, that might be painful to the eyes.

[quote=“ouinon”]…We don't need people to work more; we need people to work less, and at quieter, slower activities, like growing good food, raising animals less intensively, crafting, etc.[/quote] It depends on what you call “work.” (1) It’s only work if it is unpleasant and/or pointless; (2) it’s only work if you get paid; or (3) it’s only work if it produces something of value or improves someone’s quality of life. Don’t get me started. We don’t need busy work. There’s plenty to do that’s not being done or even considered. Everyone is out there, trying to scam everyone else for money, while all the things that matter are being ignored. But addressing such issues would take a massive overhaul of the whole social/economic structure. I figured out the cure for everything a couple of decades ago. But it’s hard to explain. It feels like one, simple, seamless concept until I start trying to explain it. I got up to 300 pages once…

They have no more free will than anyone else. Which is zero. But they can prop up belief in their own, ( and belief in free-will in general, on which much of modern society is currently based, eg: prisons ), by singling out groups of people for, ( supposedly abnormally ), not having any, or very little.


Everybody's behaviour is determined by their genes and their environment. Noone has more of an excuse than anyone else. I agree that "punishment" makes no sense if it does not effectively, but still humanely, "re-condition" behaviour, and that confinement should only be for the truly dangerous.


Work defined as "doing what needs doing"?

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Yes, I was surprised too to feel such revulsion from the direction the thread had taken. And it reminded me of a time when I read a lot of radical feminist thought, and became overwhelmed by the horror of women's situation, history, etc.

I am sorry if the remarks seemed patronising. I mentioned diet because the mood of the thread was reminding me increasingly of that time, when my perspective on life was so dark, and which I now know was very largely a result of what I was eating.


The facts were valid, eg: women still only earn two-thirds to three-quarters of what men earn for equivalent work, 1 out of 4 women will experience serious sexual harrassment in their life, 1 in 10 women will be raped during their lifetime, in 9 out of 10 cases of rape the attacker is someone the woman knows, women still die in the making of pornography, women are still sold into sexual slavery in the West, lone-women still suffer from a curfew in cities etc, refuges for battered women exist because women are still battered, women still make up the large majority of the illiterate in the world, etc, etc, etc.


The connection between diet and mental health, ( gluten, casein, sugar, polysaccharides/starch etc, and their effects on mood and cognitive function, etc ), is irrefutable, and so important that I am unlikely to stop posting about it.

I wrote that post because of my own experience, which has been that horrifying myself about things in real life, however "true/valid" etc the facts are, does nothing but paralyse/crush me, and also that the tendency to do so was profoundly connected with my state of health, the amount of stress/"abuse" that I was unknowingly subjecting my body to.

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