Americans, please answer me about the recession...
better than another war to make money..
Not so.
If you stop meddling and let the economy crash and burn. People can rebuild post-crash in a capitalist system.
In a socialist system, government keeps everyone down in an effort to maintain the status quo.
They just prolong the suffering, only a crash clears out the deadwood, so rebuilding can start.
Government run economies don't work, they fund the government, which has never produced anything.
In past recessions it has been one or two sectors of the economy, this one is across the board, and worldwide.
Allow me to explain this very simply, as a major fanatic for economics and history:
In 4-5 years, we'll be back into a good economy, and then it'll crash and burn 3 years later.
Most people never understand the hows and whys, and just blame every politician in existence, as well as big business. There's more to it, but they never seem to grasp it; they haven't since the days of Aristotle, and they're not going to, now.
Biggest tip: don't get bothered by it, cause you'll have to deal with it the majority of your life; you'll see way more bad economies than good ones. Which is...yet another thing no one ever grasps; interesting...
TheDoctor82 has it right, the peaks are a small part of the time line, and are the main problem.
The Good Times might cover 1/4 and the results are always the same, pushing profit till the bubble bursts, low taxes, low interest, and pushing development of structure into the next recession.
The time to build a national high speed train line was five years ago, money was easy, and not building it did not save airlines and trucking now. Building it in the future ads debt to recession and deflation, so paying for it costs a lot more.
The basic functions of government, transporting of people and goods, the reason they have built roads for thousands of years, bridges, ports, gets ignored in good times, like the bridge in St Paul that just fell one day. The Interstate highways are based on oil, it won't last forever, but they give a right of way for highspeed trains, coast to coast at 200 miles an hour, electric.
As they would run 24 hours a day, and trucks run 500 miles a day, food from California gets to New York in one day, not one week.
It would also be the path for a new national electric grid, clean energy.
It would have been a few trillion well spent, and we would now have it.
The near future is taxes have to go up, services cut, because of a government caused recession.
It's a good idea and it is much more practical...however...truckers wouldn't approve. They would complain en masse. They would protest because transportation of goods is their livelihood and their jobs would be phased out. Workers themselves are the ones who put the brakes on these advanced ideas. Those of us not in trucking think high speed trains are excellent, effecient ways to transport goods. Much better than using those polluting, highway locking tractor trailers. When one truck is hauling three trailers they are sorta like trains only they're on the interstate and half the time they look like they are going to fall over. But since one truck driver is making the big bucks on that one route, it's much more important than safety.
The dock workers thought the same about containers.
Nothing delivers to your door like a truck, trains can only move from yard to yard, so there would be as much local hauling.
Before the Interstate trains did long haul, trucks local. Before UPS and Fedex there was no small package delivery but post office.
The question for the future is how much will it take to fuel it? As we saw with last year's gas prices, sudden change can happen.
Wind farms feeding a national grid cost to build, then get cheaper.
What will still be running in a hundred years?
We have a Space Program, but have left transport to the whims of unions, industries, and fuel producers. Our system seems based on what will consume the most oil.
I think the people should form a government. We need one.
The Good Times might cover 1/4 and the results are always the same, pushing profit till the bubble bursts, low taxes, low interest, and pushing development of structure into the next recession.
The time to build a national high speed train line was five years ago, money was easy, and not building it did not save airlines and trucking now. Building it in the future ads debt to recession and deflation, so paying for it costs a lot more.
The basic functions of government, transporting of people and goods, the reason they have built roads for thousands of years, bridges, ports, gets ignored in good times, like the bridge in St Paul that just fell one day. The Interstate highways are based on oil, it won't last forever, but they give a right of way for highspeed trains, coast to coast at 200 miles an hour, electric.
As they would run 24 hours a day, and trucks run 500 miles a day, food from California gets to New York in one day, not one week.
It would also be the path for a new national electric grid, clean energy.
It would have been a few trillion well spent, and we would now have it.
The near future is taxes have to go up, services cut, because of a government caused recession.
That's what usually causes recessions. But see, here's the thing: what is government, but people elected by people to represent them. People always complain "oh, the government doesn't represent me....they're just a bunch of crooks who are out to screw us over", to which I now respond "oh but they do represent you! you'd do the same thing in their position! If they didn't represent you--or the fantasy of what you envision--you wouldn't have elected them to begin with!" It's why I no longer vote; it's all a joke. The secret is, money rules the world. Don't believe me? Take that government official who's pushing a law you don't like; withdraw his funding; watch how fast he changes his tune.
In my mind--and I don't mean to intentionally offend people by this, but it's likely I will--the whole idea of government is created so little people can feel important, and feel like they're actually accomplishing something by voting people in to do stuff; yeah...they're not.
From May 14-17, the global elite met in secret in Greece for the yearly Bilderberg conference, amid scattered and limited global media attention. Roughly 130 of the world’s most powerful individuals came together to discuss the pressing issues of today, and to chart a course for the next year. The main topic of discussion at this years meeting was the global financial crisis, which is no surprise, considering the list of conference attendees includes many of the primary architects of the crisis, as well as those poised to “solve” it.
The Agenda: The Restructuring of the Global Political Economy
Before the meeting began, Bilderberg investigative journalist Daniel Estulin reported on the main item of the agenda, which was leaked to him by his sources inside. Though such reports cannot be verified, his sources, along with those of veteran Bilderberg tracker, Jim Tucker, have proven to be shockingly accurate in the past. Apparently, the main topic of discussion at this years meeting was to address the economic crisis, in terms of undertaking, “Either a prolonged, agonizing depression that dooms the world to decades of stagnation, decline and poverty ... or an intense-but-shorter depression that paves the way for a new sustainable economic world order, with less sovereignty but more efficiency.” Other items on the agenda included a plan to “continue to deceive millions of savers and investors who believe the hype about the supposed up-turn in the economy. They are about to be set up for massive losses and searing financial pain in the months ahead,” and “There will be a final push for the enactment of Lisbon Treaty, pending on Irish voting YES on the treaty in Sept or October,”[1] which would give the European Union massive powers over its member nations, essentially making it a supranational regional government, with each country relegated to more of a provincial status.
Shortly after the meetings began, Bilderberg tracker Jim Tucker reported that his inside sources revealed that the group has on its agenda, “the plan for a global department of health, a global treasury and a shortened depression rather than a longer economic downturn.” Tucker reported that Swedish Foreign Minister and former Prime Minister, Carl Bildt, “Made a speech advocating turning the World Health Organization into a world department of health, advocating turning the IMF into a world department of treasury, both of course under the auspices of the United Nations.” Further, Tucker reported that, “Treasury Secretary Geithner and Carl Bildt touted a shorter recession not a 10-year recession ... partly because a 10 year recession would damage Bilderberg industrialists themselves, as much as they want to have a global department of labor and a global department of treasury, they still like making money and such a long recession would cost them big bucks industrially because nobody is buying their toys.....the tilt is towards keeping it short.”[2]
After the meetings finished, Daniel Estulin reported that, “One of Bilderberg’s primary concerns according to Estulin is the danger that their zeal to reshape the world by engineering chaos in order to implement their long term agenda could cause the situation to spiral out of control and eventually lead to a scenario where Bilderberg and the global elite in general are overwhelmed by events and end up losing their control over the planet.”[3]
On May 21, the Macedonian International News Agency reported that, “A new Kremlin report on the shadowy Bilderberg Group, who this past week held their annual meeting in Greece, states that the West’s financial, political and corporate elite emerged from their conclave after coming to an agreement that in order to continue their drive towards a New World Order dominated by the Western Powers, the US Dollar has to be ‘totally’ destroyed.” Further, the same Kremlin report apparently stated that, “most of the West’s wealthiest elite convened at an unprecedented secret meeting in New York called for and led by” David Rockefeller, “to plot the demise of the US Dollar.”[4]
Nambo, that was a fascinating read and it doesn't surprise me one bit. It's what I thought they'd be thinking and doing. Can you give a link to the source? What surprises me is that they wouldn't be more careful about these things leaking out.
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