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24 Aug 2010, 5:53 pm

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Non disabled people parking in disabled spots. Also people who don't need them parking in parent and child spots.
People in the "10 items or less" till at the supermarket with more than 10 items. I often want to slap them.


Some are too lazy to walk far to get in the store, some have hidden disabilities that make them disabled so they need that parking permit.

About the second part, I can guess people don't like to wait in line so they go to the 10 items or less line so they can get out quicker. Yeah like they think the cashier isn't going to turn them away. :roll:



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24 Aug 2010, 6:34 pm

League_Girl wrote:
DiveClimb wrote:
Non disabled people parking in disabled spots. Also people who don't need them parking in parent and child spots.
People in the "10 items or less" till at the supermarket with more than 10 items. I often want to slap them.


Some are too lazy to walk far to get in the store, some have hidden disabilities that make them disabled so they need that parking permit.

About the second part, I can guess people don't like to wait in line so they go to the 10 items or less line so they can get out quicker. Yeah like they think the cashier isn't going to turn them away. :roll:


I look for parking permits I don't judge people on appearances. It's when there is no permit that i get really frustrated . When I was working in a car park if people didn't display their permits I would write them a note. Often they were really appologetic .

I have to avoid the 10 items or less queue as it just drives me mad. I'm glad that other people get annoyed with this.



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24 Aug 2010, 8:16 pm

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League_Girl wrote:
DiveClimb wrote:
Non disabled people parking in disabled spots. Also people who don't need them parking in parent and child spots.
People in the "10 items or less" till at the supermarket with more than 10 items. I often want to slap them.


Some are too lazy to walk far to get in the store, some have hidden disabilities that make them disabled so they need that parking permit.

About the second part, I can guess people don't like to wait in line so they go to the 10 items or less line so they can get out quicker. Yeah like they think the cashier isn't going to turn them away. :roll:


I look for parking permits I don't judge people on appearances. It's when there is no permit that i get really frustrated . When I was working in a car park if people didn't display their permits I would write them a note. Often they were really appologetic .

I have to avoid the 10 items or less queue as it just drives me mad. I'm glad that other people get annoyed with this.


My mistake. At Yahoo Answers, I have seen people complain about people abusing parking permits and they aren't disabled. Talk about judgments so I assumed you meant it too.



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25 Aug 2010, 1:11 am

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On the other hand, relentless positivity. "I'm sure thing x [exam, job interview, accidental social mistake, whatever] will be fine. I'm sure you did a great job. Don't be so negative. Where's your optimism? Everything will be fiiine."


Hmmm...

Famous last words.

It's funny how people with that kind of attitude tend to make themselves scarce when you really do have problems isn't it?

The problem was, I allowed myself to be swayed too much by people like this.

So, I thought that I was going to be fine because I was constantly being brainwashed with the junk: "You're so brilliantly clever!".

That's why it came as a huge shock when I had a nervous breakdown and couldn't cope.

Unfortunately, knowing a lot of academic facts isn't much help when you have to socialise, find a house to live in or interact with people in a group.

You could theoretically know everything about your subject, but that doesn't guarantee that people will like you.

You could have a brilliant eye for details and patterns, which is great in the Lab, but not so great when you have to talk to the cashier in a bank, but struggle to because your eyes are contemplating the geometric patterns in the carpet. The cashier woman has no idea that your brain deems the patterns in the carpet to be more interesting than her.

You get called "observant" when your eyes wander. Your eyes wander again and you get called "rude".
It's exactly the same behaviour.

I think that optimism has its place when you're confident that you can prove your abilities and you're working in a system that you can control.

I wonder if some of these optimistic people have had easy lives? Perhaps, because things have come easily for them, they automatically assume that this will be the case for other people.

Maybe, they have never had to care for disabled relatives or have had tragedies in their lives.

Maybe their optimistic world view would be shattered if they did suffer misfortune?

I agree that it's beneficial for people to focus positively on what they can do.

However, just blithely assuming that "cleverness" automatically leads to trouble free success is downright silly, not to mention dangerous.

Clever, okay, but what about social and sensory issues?



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25 Aug 2010, 2:17 am

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How does it make you feel?


The preference for vague touchy-feelyness over practical, useful advice that could actually help people and solve problems.

How does it make me feel?
Well, I'd certainly feel a lot better if I was busy working towards practical solutions to my problems. It would make me feel worse to wallow in the question "How does it make you feel?".

How does it make me feel?

Well it makes me feel like I'm wasting time and not being proactive.
I always get looked at weirdly when I say that.



I love this, and I fully agree.



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25 Aug 2010, 2:19 am

AmberEyes wrote:
Jeyradan wrote:
On the other hand, relentless positivity. "I'm sure thing x [exam, job interview, accidental social mistake, whatever] will be fine. I'm sure you did a great job. Don't be so negative. Where's your optimism? Everything will be fiiine."


Hmmm...

Famous last words.

It's funny how people with that kind of attitude tend to make themselves scarce when you really do have problems isn't it?

The problem was, I allowed myself to be swayed too much by people like this.

So, I thought that I was going to be fine because I was constantly being brainwashed with the junk: "You're so brilliantly clever!".

That's why it came as a huge shock when I had a nervous breakdown and couldn't cope.

Unfortunately, knowing a lot of academic facts isn't much help when you have to socialise, find a house to live in or interact with people in a group.

You could theoretically know everything about your subject, but that doesn't guarantee that people will like you.

You could have a brilliant eye for details and patterns, which is great in the Lab, but not so great when you have to talk to the cashier in a bank, but struggle to because your eyes are contemplating the geometric patterns in the carpet. The cashier woman has no idea that your brain deems the patterns in the carpet to be more interesting than her.

You get called "observant" when your eyes wander. Your eyes wander again and you get called "rude".
It's exactly the same behaviour.

I think that optimism has its place when you're confident that you can prove your abilities and you're working in a system that you can control.

I wonder if some of these optimistic people have had easy lives? Perhaps, because things have come easily for them, they automatically assume that this will be the case for other people.

Maybe, they have never had to care for disabled relatives or have had tragedies in their lives.

Maybe their optimistic world view would be shattered if they did suffer misfortune?

I agree that it's beneficial for people to focus positively on what they can do.

However, just blithely assuming that "cleverness" automatically leads to trouble free success is downright silly, not to mention dangerous.

Clever, okay, but what about social and sensory issues?



they have no real answers themselves; that's why. In fact, back during a very severe depression about 10 years ago, I kept asking people I was sorta close to at the time to tell me what my positive traits were, as I was skeptical that I even had any.

They told me...and 10 years later I found out they got them all wrong.



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25 Aug 2010, 5:00 am

positive attitude. everything will be ok. your arm might have dropped off but at least you have another one. failing to be realistic


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25 Aug 2010, 6:55 am

Herd conformity.


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25 Aug 2010, 2:16 pm

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people who are in the swimming pool and just chat whilst swimming up and down. Why do you need to socalise every second of the day. The clue is in the name SWIMMING pool. You are there to SWIM!


I think I understand this. People get told they need to exercise for their health. They choose swimming because it's low impact exercise that doesn't stress their joints and exercises lots of muscles at once. Unfortunately, they get bored swimming back and forth and back and forth. Solution: bring a friend to talk to and chat while swimming back and forth so it isn't so boring.


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25 Aug 2010, 2:29 pm

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people who are in the swimming pool and just chat whilst swimming up and down. Why do you need to socalise every second of the day. The clue is in the name SWIMMING pool. You are there to SWIM!


I think I understand this. People get told they need to exercise for their health. They choose swimming because it's low impact exercise that doesn't stress their joints and exercises lots of muscles at once. Unfortunately, they get bored swimming back and forth and back and forth. Solution: bring a friend to talk to and chat while swimming back and forth so it isn't so boring.


it's funny this was brought up....because it seems every freakin' activity in the world people apparently do for "the social aspect"...this includes watching TV shows and movies. It seems every single activity is done for "the social aspect"; I don't get it.



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25 Aug 2010, 3:50 pm

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The cue when to talk versus when not to talk. I never got that. Maybe it has to do with nonverbal gestures.


This, times infinity!! !! !!

i simply am not able to perceive this, unless there is a really clear break in the conversation. which often is not the case in my experience.

so, i feel like my choices are either:
a) try and jump into the conversation at some point and either get accused of "interrupting" or speak softly (so as to hopefully not get accused of "interrupting") and simply be ignored as the rest of the people talktalktalkendlessly...or...

b) wait patiently for a clear break in the conversation or to be expressly invited to speak, which typically does not happen, and eventually wears on my patience to the point where i either get pissed off (and then get accused of "being a drama queen," or maybe just the old standby "interrupting") or i just quietly remove myself from the situation to avoid venting my frustration.



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25 Aug 2010, 8:03 pm

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One thing I don't get is why NTs like to apologize when they've done nothing wrong and it's clearly not their fault. I think it's something to do with loss, but I don't get why you would apologize.

you're not *literally apologizing to them...just saying that you are sorry for whatever, like sympathy or empathy or whatever, and I go to this aspie room and people do that all the time... xD hm this seems to be more of a thread to just list things you yourself dont understand about others, atleast thats how I will take it :roll: because these are things that everyone does, the first few ones I saw didnt even the word NT in it...hmm there is something I prolly want to add that I dont get but ugh I cant think of it!

Well I'll just add this one, idk in arguments why people (usually after the other person lists some fallacious reasoning like perhaps just an off topic attack or insult) dont say the good rebuddles! they just keep skipping them and going along with the other person..like for example someone coulve called someone a hypocrite in this one thing...well yeah that sums it up people skipping things that could have them win an argument like wtf lol.



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25 Aug 2010, 10:23 pm

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acclue wrote:
One thing I don't get is why NTs like to apologize when they've done nothing wrong and it's clearly not their fault. I think it's something to do with loss, but I don't get why you would apologize.

you're not *literally apologizing to them...just saying that you are sorry for whatever, like sympathy or empathy or whatever, and I go to this aspie room and people do that all the time... xD hm this seems to be more of a thread to just list things you yourself dont understand about others, atleast thats how I will take it :roll: because these are things that everyone does, the first few ones I saw didnt even the word NT in it...hmm there is something I prolly want to add that I dont get but ugh I cant think of it!

Well I'll just add this one, idk in arguments why people (usually after the other person lists some fallacious reasoning like perhaps just an off topic attack or insult) dont say the good rebuddles! they just keep skipping them and going along with the other person..like for example someone coulve called someone a hypocrite in this one thing...well yeah that sums it up people skipping things that could have them win an argument like wtf lol.


wow, cause I don' even believe they mean it when they apologize! :D



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26 Aug 2010, 4:10 am

Vague inspirational statements such as:

"Let's end discrimination!"

How will people know when discrimination has ended?

What objective measures are there for measuring discrimination?

I think that it's useful to give people practical/social support and information about different fields of work.

But I don't know whether it's really possible to force everyone to like everybody else.
What if two people just don't get on and have an argument. Is that discrimination?

Also, how can someone prove that they have been discriminated against?
I think it would be very expensive, a lot of hassle and difficult!
Maybe this is why many people don't speak up.

I think that all humans discriminate to a certain extent.

The interview process is actually inherently discriminatory because there are more candidates/applicants than there are jobs or places.

If you have a Birthday Party and only have room to invite ten friends, you are discriminating against the millions of people in the world who you didn't invite to your party.

You can't go shopping without discriminating against products that you don't like.

If you win a competition, the judges have had to discrimate against the other contestants in order to pick you as the winner.

This is why I don't understand what the feel good statement "Let's end discrimination!" really means.

How will we know if we've ended it?

Is it even possible to completely end discrimination?

Should we feel bad if we've tried our best to practically help others to help themselves, but we still haven't ended discrimination?


Or maybe the concept of people ending discrimination is a bit like kids listening to a teacher in a classroom. When the teacher talks about bullying, the kids pretend to pay attention and agree with what the teacher says. As soon as the teacher has left the room to get a coffee, the pupils fight and throw stuff at each other. When the kids hear the teacher's footsteps coming back down the corridor, they return to their seats as if nothing had happened. The teacher returns and smiles at her students, unware that any bullying has taken place. She rewards the kids for "not bullying each other".



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26 Aug 2010, 5:58 am

discrimination in and of itself isn't a bad thing; people need to discriminate to live rational, healthy lives.

In fact, one needs to discriminate to choose the right form of discrimination!

Being prejudiced against others due to skin color, ethnicity, and even brains that process information differently isn't a rational form of discrimination, as it doesn't help further one's life; it only hinders it.

Many forms of discrimination are--again--irrational forms of discrimination.

And even irrational discrimination won't be going anywhere anytime soon; it'll just be taking new forms. Reason being: you're asking humans not to be humans.

Oh sure...it's easy to look good to other folks and go "we're gonna show that we treat everyone equally!"; but it's one thing to say it, and another thing to do it.

Humans have never done it, and I don't expect us to anytime soon.



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26 Aug 2010, 9:45 am

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Oh sure...it's easy to look good to other folks and go "we're gonna show that we treat everyone equally!"; but it's one thing to say it, and another thing to do it.

Humans have never done it, and I don't expect us to anytime soon.


What about:

"Let's embrace diversity!"

Does that mean that we have to go around hugging everybody? 8O

I don't think that my arms are big enough to embrace the whole of "diversity".

How can something, that has no tangible physical form be embraced anyway.

If I'm embracing only part to diversity (because I'm one person and only have very little arms) does that mean I'm discriminating against the part of diversity that I'm not embracing?

What if, someone doesn't want to be embraced?
What if someone is tactile defensive?

By not physically embracing this person, would I be embracing diversity?