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13 Aug 2009, 10:32 am

People around here are mostly middle class, too, and they still help each other out by finding out if the company they are working for is hiring and putting in a good word for their buddy if they are. It's good to have friends who like you and want you to succeed but it's not always possible. If it were, life would be easier.



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13 Aug 2009, 1:20 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
People around here are mostly middle class, too, and they still help each other out by finding out if the company they are working for is hiring and putting in a good word for their buddy if they are. It's good to have friends who like you and want you to succeed but it's not always possible. If it were, life would be easier.


I know what you are saying. They tell you in many job searching articles to network for jobs, and that includes asking people like friends and family. My sister just got promoted, and I'm telling people I know who are looking for work that her old job is available. People my sister knows, she'll recommend and that will mean something in the hiring process. My husband's last job he got and just got laid off from was through my mother who talked to her old minister at her church who talked to his buddy who does hiring at that company. My husband was hired before I turned in his resume. Union didn't like that at all hence why there was eventually some lay offs. It's not the only way to get hired, but it's one way. The other way is to do what I usually do, and that's cold calling/apply. Sometimes I don't get far in the application process because the company already knows who they want to hire and just had to by policy advertise the job for so long. I know it happens cause I've worked for companies that did that. Also with that networking, one girl didn't get hired at a company I worked at because I told them I knew her and that she wasn't what they were looking for. I didn't know her personally, but she did start trouble with one of my friends, and I didn't want to work with her because of that. Perfect case of be careful what bridges you burn. The guy you flip off in traffic might be interviewing you for a job someday.

Also, I do remember helping a friend get a job with the Mayor's office because I dealt with the non-profit doing the hiring at my job at the time. Another situation where my friend was hired before she even applied for the position, and we were both living pretty ghetto at the time.


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13 Aug 2009, 1:37 pm

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Can't we just describe 'NTs' as 'shallow people who have to find their identity in other people'? I know that means that a lot of 'NTs' won't be NTs any longer... perhaps we need a new word - bluepills.

If we consier society like the Matrix, we can differentiate people into bluepills and redpills. What most people call 'neurotypicals' on here are, actually, bluepills. Aspies tend to fall into the category of kid - i.e. they rejected the Matrix without taking the redpill. Some people here are like Cypher: they want to be in the comfortable world of the Matrix. Most of us have to be like the redpills Neo, Ghost, Trinity, Morpheus etc... entering the Matrix on a daily basis.

Unfortunately, we don't get all those superpowers.

It isn't a simple ASD/NT dichtomy; it's more of a Redpill:Bluepill dichtomy.

I don't like this analogy at all. Society is not an illusion; it is real. People attached to the Matrix are stuck in their own minds. If anything, the reverse analogy is more appropriate, where those with ASD are more "trapped" inside their own heads and cannot get out. I don't like that analogy, either, though, so let's just drop it.

The Matrix was real. The computers were real, the software was real. As it is with society: the humans may be real, but society - as in relationships, social 'skills', lying etc - is as much an illusion as the Matrix itself. Our war is not against flesh and blood, or metal and electricity. It's something more ethereal than that.

I want to stop using the word NTs, because it is nigh impossible to define. Any group with more humans than dolphins would have NT as 'human thought'. For a more Terra Firma explenation, see silicon valley, where Aspies are, technically, 'neurotypical'.



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13 Aug 2009, 3:13 pm

I remember in this workshop that I attended for seeking employment, that we were taught about how jobs came to be listed in the classifieds. We were taught, that when you saw a job listed, it was usually a last resort by the employer. The job offer was first given to existing employees, and then friends, and then on a company bulletin board or in a newsletter. And then, if no satisfactory takers appeared, it was placed in the classifieds.


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13 Aug 2009, 3:25 pm

Now I feel like a sucker for hitting the pavement. But honestly, everyone I know (and am related to) had to hit the pavement. I guess I just got put off by the statement that if you are an NT extrovert, you will get multiple job offers and never have to apply. My first (and second and third) reaction was "what the heck! I'm an NT extrovert with lots of friends--- why didn't any jobs ever fall into my lap?" Harrumph. :cry:



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14 Aug 2009, 5:41 pm

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Now I feel like a sucker for hitting the pavement. But honestly, everyone I know (and am related to) had to hit the pavement. I guess I just got put off by the statement that if you are an NT extrovert, you will get multiple job offers and never have to apply. My first (and second and third) reaction was "what the heck! I'm an NT extrovert with lots of friends--- why didn't any jobs ever fall into my lap?" Harrumph. :cry:


When I first learned this amazing fact about job offers, I was surprised, too. I always had assumed that employers placed these ads just as soon as the need presented. I have also seen situations in the work place, where someone is doing a really lousy job, but getting shunted from one department to another, instead of let go, because that someone was related to the boss, or a really good friend of somebody high in the corporate structure. :x And yet, I could get fired even if I was doing an excellent job, because of my Aspieness!


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17 Aug 2009, 10:44 am

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Neurotypical to me means someone who blends in well, has a lot of job offers without even applying, has several marriage proposals and turned most of them down, is wanted at several parties, cookouts, events over the weekend, has several weekend event offers the biggest dilemma being which ones to go to since the weekend is only 48 hours, sometimes 72, always likes to have their picture taken, is never short on cash or friends, and is happy most the time.
They tend to be superficial and sorta shallow. They are intensely focused on other people and what they are doing.


No I don't think so....unless it's just me.

I've seen a pretty good number of eccentric NTs who don't all fit in or come off as shallow. I've known one who had no friends like myself but she had good communicative skills.


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17 Aug 2009, 11:28 am

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Neurotypical to me means someone who blends in well, has a lot of job offers without even applying, has several marriage proposals and turned most of them down, is wanted at several parties, cookouts, events over the weekend, has several weekend event offers the biggest dilemma being which ones to go to since the weekend is only 48 hours, sometimes 72, always likes to have their picture taken, is never short on cash or friends, and is happy most the time.
They tend to be superficial and sorta shallow. They are intensely focused on other people and what they are doing.


No I don't think so....unless it's just me.

I've seen a pretty good number of eccentric NTs who don't all fit in or come off as shallow. I've known one who had no friends like myself but she had good communicative skills.

I have a good friend who is not at all shallow and a great guy. He is INTJ but definitely not autistic... not even remotely.


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17 Aug 2009, 11:42 am

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Neurotypical to me means someone who blends in well, has a lot of job offers without even applying, has several marriage proposals and turned most of them down, is wanted at several parties, cookouts, events over the weekend, has several weekend event offers the biggest dilemma being which ones to go to since the weekend is only 48 hours, sometimes 72, always likes to have their picture taken, is never short on cash or friends, and is happy most the time.
They tend to be superficial and sorta shallow. They are intensely focused on other people and what they are doing.


No I don't think so....unless it's just me.

I've seen a pretty good number of eccentric NTs who don't all fit in or come off as shallow. I've known one who had no friends like myself but she had good communicative skills.

I used "Neurotypical to me means" at the beginning of my paragraph because it's my interpretation and it might be highly subjective. It needn't match anyone else's.



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17 Aug 2009, 11:47 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Neurotypical to me means someone who blends in well, has a lot of job offers without even applying, has several marriage proposals and turned most of them down, is wanted at several parties, cookouts, events over the weekend, has several weekend event offers the biggest dilemma being which ones to go to since the weekend is only 48 hours, sometimes 72, always likes to have their picture taken, is never short on cash or friends, and is happy most the time.
They tend to be superficial and sorta shallow. They are intensely focused on other people and what they are doing.


No I don't think so....unless it's just me.

I've seen a pretty good number of eccentric NTs who don't all fit in or come off as shallow. I've known one who had no friends like myself but she had good communicative skills.

I used "Neurotypical to me means" at the beginning of my paragraph because it's my interpretation and it might be highly subjective. It needn't match anyone else's.

Very well... autism to me means anyone who is left handed.


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17 Aug 2009, 12:03 pm

"NT" doesn't have official criteria in the DSM so the definition has to be subjective :)



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17 Aug 2009, 1:09 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
"NT" doesn't have official criteria in the DSM so the definition has to be subjective :)

Very well... an "NT" is someone who is right handed.


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18 Aug 2009, 10:36 am

True.



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19 Aug 2009, 8:17 am

fiddlerpianist wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Neurotypical to me means someone who blends in well, has a lot of job offers without even applying, has several marriage proposals and turned most of them down, is wanted at several parties, cookouts, events over the weekend, has several weekend event offers the biggest dilemma being which ones to go to since the weekend is only 48 hours, sometimes 72, always likes to have their picture taken, is never short on cash or friends, and is happy most the time.
They tend to be superficial and sorta shallow. They are intensely focused on other people and what they are doing.


No I don't think so....unless it's just me.

I've seen a pretty good number of eccentric NTs who don't all fit in or come off as shallow. I've known one who had no friends like myself but she had good communicative skills.

I used "Neurotypical to me means" at the beginning of my paragraph because it's my interpretation and it might be highly subjective. It needn't match anyone else's.

Very well... autism to me means anyone who is left handed.


I almost totally missed that. Like it flew over my head, I waived bye bye, started to move on, and then it came back by surprise and struck me. Either way...very good point, though I am left handed, but I've seen the threads asking if people are lefties or righties, so yeah, good point. I try to define NT from an objective perspective, and it doesn't seem to be that popular for a definition. Maybe it is more therapeutic to be defined subjectively, or maybe it just makes the situation worse. Either way, I think the subjective definitions come across a bit more insulting. I was under the impression that subjective reasoning was an NT thing more so than an Aspie thing... :lol: :roll:


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19 Aug 2009, 8:19 am

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19 Aug 2009, 9:05 am

Humans, taking it from a Dolphin perspective.

What sort of traits do people normally refered to as 'NTs' have in common?