Seriously people, whats with the attitude?
LuxoJr
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Many aspies know that.
I know that. But thinking that aspies and nts will never ever ever ever understand each other, of course we may think we are "superior" just only in sertain thinks and nts are good at socializing and we are sort of bad at it and stuff but we are good at other things besides socializing or stuff
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"We're never going to understand each other, so why bother trying?"
The main issue I have with 'Enties' is their apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals and imposition of routines and interests on others. Yes, I did clip that from the criteria for Aspergers (DSM in the first instance, Gilberg's in the second).
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The truly mature person doesn't rank people by intelligence.
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Intelligence is a virtue, it's just (usually) subordinate to "being a nice person", and cannot in any case be trivially measured and ranked.
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Intelligence is a virtue, it's just (usually) subordinate to "being a nice person", and cannot in any case be trivially measured and ranked.
I agree that it can't be trivially measured and ranked.
I strongly disagree that it is a virtue. Virtues are postive moral choices that people freely choose to exercise (or not). Intelligence is not a choice. It is a consequence of the neurological wiring somebody is born with. It is no more a virtue than left or right handedness is a virtue.
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The truly mature person doesn't rank people by intelligence.
Nobody is truly mature. We are all on levels of maturity, and we are constantly maturing until the day we die. At some point in maturity, people realize there is no ranking people by intelligence, which is what I said.
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Intelligence is a virtue, it's just (usually) subordinate to "being a nice person", and cannot in any case be trivially measured and ranked.
I agree that it can't be trivially measured and ranked.
I strongly disagree that it is a virtue. Virtues are postive moral choices that people freely choose to exercise (or not). Intelligence is not a choice. It is a consequence of the neurological wiring somebody is born with. It is no more a virtue than left or right handedness is a virtue.
Innate intelligence isn't a choice but I would argue that intellectual curiosity is somewhat of a choice and I also consider it a virtue. I also think that someone who is in the MR range in terms of IQ can be perceptive and curious about the world around them even if they don't have the raw processing power to understand it easily, and I would still consider this a virtue. Conversely there definitely exists people with high IQ scores who are shallow air-heads with no desire understand the world as it is, nor challenge their narrow views, ignorant notions, prejudices, etc.
Also, with regard to the OP's statement:
Many people here come here to WP as it is a safe place for them to express the pain and the difficulty of being ASD and living in a world that is predominantly NT in it structures and bureaucracies and behavioural and emotional and social expectations. If ASD people need to have a little gripe about that here and there on WP, perhaps you could afford them the right and let it go.
If they try to do it out in the real world (which is what is often done to them by NT's unwittingly by virtue of the fact the society and culture is normalised in terms of prevailing NT ways,) they get bullied and pilloried.
Please, I would ask you to respect and understand that perspective and take heed.
It is not necessarily my own (as I state at the outset of this post) but I do understand why others need to vent at times and do so with vehemence and with such fervour.
many here have spent a lifetime of not fitting in, of being criticised and bullied, of trying hard, of really finding life tough and I take my hat off to all humans who have had the courage to do keep on going in spite of incredible odds and hardhships.
If your experience has been different - you are one of the very, very lucky ones......
that is a really beautiful statement. Definitely could not have said it better.
