A Call for Genetic Purification

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Explain to me how my being as aspie affects the world adversely, I am curious.

Wait a minute! What about those of us that scored a 65!!

lol

You're not only sick, you're utterly full of bullcrap.
What do you mean "It causes it's sufferers to lack that certain domination over nature", &tc.?
People w/ AS and related disorders have as much domination over nature as most other human beings do (unless they're born into a rural or tribal society, in which case they are "incapable of distinguishing", and even then they have a certain amount of domination over the environment.)
In general, people w/ AS can and do recognize that they can "control" their surroundings by hunting/fishing, training animals, and so on, and are no different from neurotypicals in said ways.
You want to know another thing that shows that you're obviously full of it?
Your repeated references to "epidemic" and "disease", neither of which it applies or is used in legitimate psychology texts.
As for your whole recommending that we sterilize people diagnosed with AS, please realize that AS does not affect the brain in any really major ways and is almost unrecognizable. Now, I could see your point in recommending that ret*d people or lower-functioning autistics be sterilized, but people w/ AS are smart and clever, and in a lot of cases, polite enough that there shouldn't be any problem with them passing on their genes.
I don't know what hole you crawled out of Weyoun, but that hole certainly hasn't done you any good.

I know people still want to throw in their 2 cents worth of condemning him for his statements, but it is quite clear like 95% of the forum disagrees with him and is terribly offended by what he said. So can we maybe move on, talk about some other aspect of what he said, like maybe its merits? Don't think that discussing a horrible idea's merits will make people hate it less. I believe that thinking about it with a level head will make us understand what is untrue about it better. And possibly invite the poster to consider our viewpoint with him. But i seriously doubt he is keen on listening to us if all we do is insult him.

NOooooo! Don't move on! This thread is the most amusement I've had all week!

I seriously doubt that he will listen, regardless of how we go about it. I he had been serious about this, he would have researched his subject, and perhaps the forum, before posting. He is a troll, doing what trolls do, enjoying the havoc he is causing.

Considering his take, he isn't interested in listening to another viewpoint, fanatics rarely are. Besides that, I really don't care if he changes his mind, if he wants to go steralize himself, more power to him.

A dangerous assumption. What if he is just bad at communicating? I've heard less innocent comments by aspies on here who didnt realize how offensive they were being. What if he was hoping he could learn from us on the pros and cons of it, considering we're supposed to be so logical and mature, rather than just getting yelled at for being a nazi. It wont hurt anybody to treat the issue calmly and logically. It will hurt people to assume they are just trying to razz you.

Calling for the extermination of auties is hardly an innocently made comment, and his responses more than illustrate his inciteful nature. Incidentally, I refrained from flaming him because I think arguing on the internet is a waste of time, however if he truly feels that way then I think he should follow his own suggestion, not procreate, and mind his own hateful little business. As for the nazi comments made toward him, those were accurate. Being a Jew as well as an aspie, I think I am more sensitive to the kind of rhetoric he was spewing forth on the forum. My family lost several members to similar ideals in WWII, so if he was offended by being called a nazi, he can cry himself right off the forum for making nazi-esque comments. I am not trying to pull you into an argument either, I get the impression you are merely playing devils advocate, however unless you agree with him, I don't see why you would take the time to repeatedly defend him, it obviously isn't going to go anywhere but further into the kind of responses it already has, seems rather pointless.

If he's just bad at communicating, now would be a good time to say so and get the thread back on track.

I am treating the situation calmly, btw. I simply happen to believe that he's a troll and act accordingly. My assumption isn't particularly dangerous as it will not harm me OR him, but his views are, as these views have the potential to harm a lot of people. They are not innocent. Anything but, in fact.

I take offense at his views. I have a son with AS, and I have AS myself, and his views therefore apply directly to my situation. My son is NOT suffering; I am NOT suffering, and my family is NOT suffering. The rest of the humanity is definitely NOT suffering on our account.

I think I've been very calm about the troll and its ugly views so far.

But if you are wrong about him being a troll you may be driving away someone with genuine interests in a serious topic.

One of the premises of the first post is that NTs have abiliites which let them dominate their enviroment, while Aspies sometimes have a hard time distinguishing ourselves from our enviroment.

Here's a clue-Dominating your enviroment inevitably leads your population to expand until it crashes catastrophically.NO ORGANISM ultimately succeeds without adapting TO its enviroment.

Maybe the NT's need us specifcally to remind them of this.

Second while eugenists and other quacks advocate genetic "purification" (an absolutely meaningless cultural imposition on a natural state) every one I know in biology and anthropology (my field) is concerned with preserving genetic diversity because changing
enviromental conditions require a wide genome in order for species to adapt. (think of the
Io-chief corn blight of the seventies, specifically caused by people articially narrowing a genome).The last thing you want is to force humanity through an artificial genetic bottlekneck-
eventually, nature will do that for us, and on her own terms, no matter how convinced we are that we are the top of a hierarchy-which is an scientifically meaningless (because evolution has no direction) concept even now.

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If he has a serious interest in the topic and wasn't a troll he would have been suprised by how mad everyone was and said something to that extent rather than fanning the fire.

But even if he is a troll, why must you fight fire with fire? What kind of a win is it to have someone try specifically to provoke you, and you become provoked? Wouldn't it be more of a victory to ignore his provocation and talk about his point of view like it doesn't offend you and just kindly disagree?

And i agree that genetic purification is in general a bad idea, but using eugenics could be a powerful tool. Although given our current understanding of the genetics of all living things(both that we know of and potentially existing) I think using eugenics right now would be like giving a chainsaw to a monkey. But if the monkey learned how to use the chainsaw, that monkey could build amazing things. And the fact that a certain percentage of monkeys saw their own limbs off while using the chainsaw is negligable in light of the benefit of using the tool.

But I think that it will be possible for humans to eventually understand biology and chemistry to the point where we really do understand the implications for every genetic manipulation we make. And we could in good conscious use eugenics for our betterment. Later we could use the knowledge we gain from genetic experimentation in this area to create totally new genes, and build life forms to suit our needs from scratch.

First and foremost, I didn't allow myself to be provoked, and secondly I wasn't going for a "win". I was merely responding, not flaming or name calling so it isn't fire/fire. However if someone says something rude, ridiculous, and pathetic, no one owes them a polite response. In a perfect world perhaps, but this is not a perfect world. (and in a perfect world, people wouldn't post rude things to be a troll either, but I digress.)