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Is aspergers a fad diagnosis?
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16 Aug 2010, 8:21 am

I may be in the minority here, but yes, it is quickly becoming a fad. Along with OCD and bipolar, AS has become the "in" thing to have, it's all over TV and film at the moment and the number of "self diagnosed" has gone through the roof on the internet. And kids are getting diagnosed a lot more often than adults, I'm not saying they don't have it because most probably do but at the same time there will be many who are misdiagnosed.


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16 Aug 2010, 9:00 am

The answer to this question depends on what exactly is being asked.

Is it "fashionable" for clinicians to fix an ASD label on people? Not in my experience and it's been actually hard in my case to get a clear-cut answer from someone.

However, is it "fashionable" to the larger public? I'll have to agree with some posters here and say yes, there seems to be more people who are claiming to have "Asperger's" or say things like, "I have a little bit of Asperger's" - when they obviously don't. It's not so much a competition between posters on whether someone's traits are autistic enough, but it's more a matter of people who may not have a complete and full understanding of autism co-op the syndrome and dilute how impairing it can be to people who are on the spectrum.


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16 Aug 2010, 9:03 am

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I may be in the minority here, but yes, it is quickly becoming a fad. Along with OCD and bipolar, AS has become the "in" thing to have, it's all over TV and film at the moment and the number of "self diagnosed" has gone through the roof on the internet. And kids are getting diagnosed a lot more often than adults, I'm not saying they don't have it because most probably do but at the same time there will be many who are misdiagnosed.

I agree 100%. It's definitely the fad diagnosis these days.


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16 Aug 2010, 9:08 am

Corin wrote:
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
On one hand, it is a serious diagnosis for people who really have it. On the other, parents of smart kids might seek it out so their kids might be perceived as more intelligent, which isn't what the diagnosis should be about. If it comes down to that, it will escalate quickly into being viewed as a "fad diagnosis", or not legit.


I really hope that doesn't happen. For me it's a very serious diagnosis. If had been DXed as a kid and not an Adult it would have made a huge difference in my life, and I wouldn't need as much help as I do now.


First off, I think there are many unintelligent people on the spectrum, although there definitely seems to be a higher percentage of intelligent people, when compared to the rest of the popular. It also depends on what you consider "smart".

Second, my life would probably be very different, if I had been diagnosed young, as well. However, you do have to think of the person you are and if you like that person. If the answer is "yes", you may want to think of the negative effects of having been diagnosed young and the possible differences in your personality. If the answer is "no" the same still applies, as even if you do not like who you are, which would be sad, I don't think anyone wishes to lose themselves. I'm glad that things happened as they did, because they made me who I am.

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No. Bipoar disorder is the "it" diagnosis these days. It's the ADHD of this decade. In twenty years something new BS condition where someone can't pick their nose with the right hand will be refured to as the "new bipolar".


Oh no! I think I have the sister condition to that. I can't pick my nose with my left hand! I must be DISEASED! lol


It has nothing to do with the way I see myself. Having known why I've always had to try harder than other people to do things they could easily do would have helped me. My parents were verbally and sometimes physically abusive to me because of my AS symptoms, they now regret the things they've said and done to me. I had to grow up not understanding things and wondering why I couldn't understand things. I had trouble in school and I have trouble holding a job, and I tried to kill myself twice before I was diagnosed.

I look at it this way, suddenly someone magically gives you all these answers to questions you didn't even understand and OMG life starts to make sense and with those answers life becomes less hopeless and scary. That's what a DX was for me. I'm just lucky I managed to survive to be DXed.



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16 Aug 2010, 2:40 pm

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I think Asperger's is still really underdiagnosed... so no.


this. (in adult population, at least)

although a lot of people seem to think the cutoff point should be exactly at their level of impairment and nothing milder. i don't really understand what all the fuss is about. on the one hand you have people who are griping that it's become popular and complaining their are fake self-diagnosers all over the place (with no evidence of either), and on the other hand the most vocal of them are the ones wanting to keep aspiehood as some elite club inclusive of them but exclusive of other people. i have seen more arguments about this since joining wrong planet than anything else.

tbh, i have not seen much real life evidence that the general population even knows what it is, let alone how to recognize it. it matters more that people who need help receive it than whether a few people who "had the disorder first" are rubbed the wrong way.


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16 Aug 2010, 3:00 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Janissy wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
On one hand, it is a serious diagnosis for people who really have it. On the other, parents of smart kids might seek it out so their kids might be perceived as more intelligent, which isn't what the diagnosis should be about. If it comes down to that, it will escalate quickly into being viewed as a "fad diagnosis", or not legit.


Parents of smart kids are unlikely to seek it out unless their kids are having problems. The parents might be completely wrong about the source of the problems and guess that it is Aspergers Syndrome when the problems are really being caused by something else. But parents don't get to make a diagnosis. Only a doctor can do that and the doctor has to be convinced the kid fits the DSM criteria. Not that I think every doctor will be right and I assume there will be some misdiagnoses. But there still has to be evidence of Aspergers to convince a doctor

I would like to be optimistic and believe that, but parents are more competitive these days with their kids and want them to have that edge and a diagnosis that hints at genuis might be it.


based on posts here and those i know in real life, the trend for parents if anything seems to be denial of the condition unless the evidence is overwhelming, or reluctance to let their children be labelled.

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Some kids with diagnoses do not have noticeable traits


this suggests to me that diagnosticians are getting better at recognizing the condition.

in either direction, errors are going to be made no matter how well educated anyone is about anything.
and the OP said nothing about noticing people without traits being diagnosed. he just asked a question.

someone mentioned bipolar being a fad diagnosis. maybe psychs are learning to recognize it more easily.


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Giftedness can also bring social difficulties, and asperger is more "poticaly correct" that giftedness.


no it's not. "my kid is genius" vs. "my kid has a pervasive developmental disorder"

this whole argument is ridiculous, it gets no less ridiculous the more it's brought up.


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16 Aug 2010, 3:59 pm

Just because the media gives attention to a disorder, people have this weird idea that it's suddenly some fad diagnosis. The supposed "rise" in cases are really just due to awareness and more people trying to seek a diagnosis due to it. There is always going to be the odd person who will fake symptoms or be paranoid about non-existent symptoms, but that doesn't automatically mean it's a fad. I think it's lazy to assume that the rise in diagnosis of any condition is due to misdiagnosis.

The only reason why can get away with calling AS and ADHD a fad is simply because people are ignorant when it comes to neuroscience.



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16 Aug 2010, 4:03 pm

I don't think that it's a fad. I think that it's a very real disorder.


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16 Aug 2010, 6:44 pm

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As far as I know, ADHD and AS are the two dysfunctions that NT's seem to want to have. They think its fashionable to have them or they think they can say they have either one as an excuse to get out of a sticky situation! Eg - caught speeding in their car - "Sorry officer, its my Aspergers. Its makes me drive fast". What idiots. If only NT's really understood that having AS is living in a permanent prison, locked inside your own bloody heads and no one hears you scream for help.


I'm sure many people (some of which are probably NT's) feel trapped in a prison and locked in their own heads, screaming. I'm autistic and I'm not screaming.


Well you are "undiagnosed" for AS. So, what the hell do you know about the condition. Get a diagnosis, a little alone time and the screaming will start up. Its not a nice thing to be diagnosed, but hey, some a**hole doctor would do it just to make your life hell.


I'm sorry but that was highly offensive and uncalled for. Most likely, I will have a diagnosis by the end of the month. However, I'm not sure how it would affect me negatively or positively. It's just, a diagnosis and it doesn't really change anything. You are who you are and that doesn't change just because of a label. That's actually the reason that I've been hesitant to get a diagnosis, up until now. It won't really make a difference in my life, so I'm not sure there's a point.


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17 Aug 2010, 12:07 am

In order to agree that Asperger's is a fad diagnosis, I would need to admit that there is large number of us who merely fell victim to a fad. I think that very few of us who KNOW our diagnoses to be correct would believe that (and I believe that would be nearly 100% of those diagnosed as adults). There may be a few children who are mistakenly or even fraudulently labeled with AS, but I would still bet that that's not many.

Most of the disorders in children that have been labeled as fads are those that also became newly available. Asperger's was not added to the DSM unitl 1994 (DSM IV)... SO, if there seems like there were a lot of new cases after 1994... I guess that would be why!

Anyway, in adults most psychiatrists look for (and therefore find) only depression, bipolar, OCD, and anxiety and chances are, you will get diagnosed with one of those long before he/she will resort to the autistic spectrum. When I got my diagnosis, only four months ago, my doctor looked at me as an oddity and my therapist was completely befuddled.

So fad, no.


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17 Aug 2010, 12:49 am

I don't think AS is a fad to any clinicians, parents, or people who have struggled with AS their whole lives.

But I do think there has been a tendency in some books about AS to paint a rosy picture of people with AS as misunderstood eccentric geniuses who are guileless and loyal and who cannot tell a lie. This has led to some people who don't have AS to want to associate themselves with the condition. In that sense it could be considered a fad, but in a very limited way.

People who actually have AS know first hand the turmoil and difficulty it can bring. But someone who only read about it in a book might want to attach herself to the "eccentric genius" bandwagon because she thinks it makes her seem interesting.



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17 Aug 2010, 3:47 am

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I don't think that it's a fad. I think that it's a very real disorder.


I was not trying to imply that Asperger syndrome was not a real disorder I was asking if people thought that it was overdiagnosed.



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17 Aug 2010, 4:22 am

every profecional (my childrens psychologists/psychiatrists/therapists) who has met me since my diagnosis has questioned it, they all say scathinly how they think its a 'fad diagnosis' and 'over diagnosed'. However I have an AQ of 48 out of 50 and a low EQ of 12 and INTJ personality, so if I am an NT Im certainly an inadequate one, Ive never heard of an NT haveing an EQ of 12! However Im quite a confident person and wear make up and dresses so dont 'look aspergers'.

I should imagine if these psychologists Ive met have such a sterotyped vision of aspergers in their minds that plenty of others do too, and unless your clutching a collection of batteries or bus timetables and wearing unattractive clothes they will presume you dont have AS.

Ive not met anyone at an AS meet up who I didnt think had AS, they were all very different but they definately had AS.

I think people can not beleive the numbers of people with AS so have to dismiss it as a 'fad diagnosis', where as I think there is probably just a large porportion of people with it. We have not yet reached the numbers of AS people that is recorded for schizophrenia 1%, or personality disorders 10% so I dont think we need to worry about over diagnosis.

I think the human race is just more diverse and less 'normal' than people imagine.



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17 Aug 2010, 4:29 am

JohnisBlind wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I don't think that it's a fad. I think that it's a very real disorder.


I was not trying to imply that Asperger syndrome was not a real disorder I was asking if people thought that it was overdiagnosed.


I think it is underdiagnosed.


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17 Aug 2010, 4:49 am

lotusblossom wrote:
I think the human race is just more diverse and less 'normal' than people imagine.


I agree, most people actually have a problem, even those who seem pretty "NT", but no one truly act like the stereotyped xdisorder they are supposed to have.

Most of my "friends" have a disorder : usually depression which is easily diagnosed (but still sometimes wrongly, and it can be a fad diagnosis), two are bipolar, one has schizophrenia, another has a schizoid personality disorder, and one of my bests friends is quite normal yet very intelligent, have self-confidence issues and social phobia, plus some diseases or other disorder associated.

None of them truly act like the other who has the same disorder, I've even seen two of them arguing that one was misdiagnosed because they seemed to have a better life than the latter. Truth is : we don't know what people think and how they deal with it.

And since there are more and more "new" disorders, we assume that if everyone were to pass a great amount ot tests, almost no one would be NT.

There are no epidemy, this is probably not a trend when you have been diagnosed, people are just informed and sciences make progress.

However, if one were to come here and say that he has watched a TV show or a movie where one character is supposedly autistic and that one started to think one was just "like them", it would be great to see whether it is true by investigating (how whas their childhood, ect ?) or if it's just that one started to mimic they favourite character since it happens a lot, especially among young people.



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17 Aug 2010, 5:31 am

I suspect that AS is under-diagnosed in live, anonymous people and over-diagnosed in dead, famous people.