aspergers is almost gone

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get the heck of this site NOW!! !!

Exactly.

Autism is not a disease. While some (even many) autistics have huge challenges in life, others live full and productive ones, sometimes contributing things possible only because of their autism.

So lets just "cure" everything that doesn't fall within the accepted range of normal.

I understand what you're saying nemorosa, I was unhappy until I found out I had Aspergers then it all made sense. I don't try and behave as others I just try and behave in the correct manner, whether that be the Aspie or NT way, it works for me. It might come across wrong but I'm actualy proud to be an Aspie.

You may be happy with your condition, accepted by yourself, a feeling of pride that you are feeling, a uniqueness and individualism. That is your perception.

My perception is different, here in Nottingham, the disability services are crap, nobody really cares as much as they say they do. I am a very intelligent Aspie, and I can see that the condition holds me back and so I want the conditin to be eradicated. That is my perception.

Having AS can lead to self loathing and hatred. Its the person that has the condition thats defing their own personal being.

But this is something that cam be worked on. self loathing is not just directed towards the self but generated by the self. Only the self controls that.

That's your problem, not an AS problem. Deal with it, and stop pinning all your issues on AS.

okay, so. i have a question which may be unpopular, but i think its merits suggestion. first of all, OP: i do not know you, therefore i am not aware of the diagnostic process you underwent, nor do i know what you mean by "almost gone". keeping that in mind...

is it possible that when people have been supposedly "cured" of AS/ASD, that they never actually had it in the first place? maybe such people have a different package of problems that could present as ASD to a professional, but are actually a bunch of other (more treatable) conditions? because sometimes.... clinicians are wrong.

i don't know which conditions could fit the bill, but perhaps some combination of social anxiety/depression/OCD/BP in a set could appear to be ASD...

just an idea. again, i do not know the OP, but i think that asperger's syndrome is by definition incurable. therefore, it seems that it cannot disappear, even with treatment. so perhaps ASD is a red herring in some cases.

To continue with what hyperlexian is saying, at a certain point, one must consider AS/ASD to be a mindset too - not just a bunch of symptoms. Many of the AS symptoms DO overlap with other 'conditions' and I'll agree that mistakes are often made. I would suspect especially in children (or anyone unable to explain the reasons behind why they do a particular behaviour).

What is different in the mind of an AS/ASD person from that of others? This has never quite been pinpointed and agreed on to my knowledge. There is one 'condition' where the people feel a disconnect with themselves. There is one where they're absolutely garrolous with everyone they meet, anywhere. There is one where their words jump from concept to concept so fast that people describe their speech or writing as "word salad".

What's ours? That we see things as they are, and are bluntly honest about it? I know quite a few who would agree or disagree with that.. but even if you agree, is it a defining characteristic? Does approaching "the grieving process" (not just when faced death, but in many 'lesser' experiences too, like breaking up) from a logical rather than a teary-eyed grief striken perspective describe us? My ex would say it describes me. But is that an Aspie feature? Is that the translation of "doesn't show appropriate emotion" ?

Added:
I do believe actual AS/ASD is not something that goes away. You just learn to adapt to the NT world and to function within their customs. I only learned about AS myself this year, so I've spent 34 years "not getting help" and "not being able to get accepted" and "wondering why people don't see things the way I do"... I certainly don't hate myself, or the fact that I think and react differently than NTs... And I certainly don't want to lose any of my ways and means and abilities in order to fit in to what I often consider to be a rather petty and arbitrary culture.

I think self loathing may be an aspect of how you were raised, or another issue entirely. Why is it so bad to be different? You at least know there are others like you in the world. I didn't even have that for 34 years. THAT was knowledge that would have helped me immensely.

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No, there is nothing in the definition of it that says it's incurable. The definition of it is simply a list of traits.

The list of traits is used to identify it.
A list of traits, however, does not define the condition.
The reason behind the traits does. This is often what we fail to discuss.
It is what most clinicians fail to consider... and leads to misdiagnoses.

Definition as per the DSM criteria is not the proper use of the word "definition".

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mine still seems to be here.

i had always assumed that devlopmental disabilities are by definition incurable (though treatable and sensitive to improvement), so anyone who was truly 'cured' could not be experiencing the condition in the first place.

(bolding mine)

Indefinite means, well, just that, not definite. It doesn't mean for life. That wouldn't be indefinite... that would, on the contrary, be quite definite.


On another note, anyone else, when you see the subject heading, keep reading it as if it's saying that Asperger's, as a general thing, is almost gone? I know from reading the post that that's not what the person meant, but it still reads that way, sometimes. Though, curiously, it didn't the first time I read this thread.

I thought I had outgrown my diagnosis up until this year when a load of stress hit my life. Suddenly I'm stimming a lot more often and more obviously, having breakdowns and not wanting to interrupt my routine or work. Actually, the reappearance of my AS has made the stress load a lot worse because the person who is causing the stress doesn't understand AS. She thinks it's something I can just "get over".

Hopefully when things quiet down again I'll go back to barely being able to tell, but I don't believe I'll ever be "cured". Besides, I like some of my Aspie traits and don't want a cure.

What is important to remember is that mindset is a normal response to an abnormal physiology and not to ignore that underlying Pervasive Developmental Disabilities.

I also have sensory issues - these rae not a "mind set" neither are my seizures - my mindset is shaped by how society handels these physiological differences.

My dentist has established I have more nerves in my face than I am supposed to, these nerves are in places they would not expect. The sensations I feel are very real. My mindset will never re-wire my nervouse system - these nerves will always be there.

They were also disbelieving when they catheterized me and revealed that I also have nerves on the inside of my bladder lining - other people just don't feel the things I feel. These feelings are real - how can my mindset change that?

I hear in very high pitch ranges - I sometimes hear rodent deterants for example . . . this is not about my psychological state it is the function of my ears.

If you can change your mind about having PDD then you never had PDD in the first place.
Though your symptoms may be different than mine, my understanding is that Aspergers is a behavioural response to having Pervasive Developmental Problems. I'd like to know how to get rid of my extra nerves or misfiring neurons