Autism will bankrupt you.

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Well, you yourself offer no compromise or ability to gain mutual understanding.

Can somebody translate/rephrase ci's posts?

Water away, m'boy; please, water away.
Some of us are dying of thirst here.

Certainly not I, but his website does offer some insight. http://www.autismcandles.com/

He is certainly consistent in his phraseology.

Interesting that our resident NT also cannot understand the question. You aren't autistic or stupid so you must be biased or unwilling to learn.

If you fail to try, belittle in the process and then say I'm not one of your social clique names by calling me an N.T just shows it comes down to politics, peer pressure and or bias. That means in circumstances where no one can prove the facts of the situation are not as simple as 1+1 and is not a simple checkers game 3rd party observers can make their own conclusions.

I've been treated like this before, usually it's by people joking around so I don't take it to seriously. Reverting to I don't understand, belittling and ignoring the problem at hand is called diversion tactics. Some of you don't want to understand what I'm saying. Now had I been someone else I might be very offended. Or someone like me would be called a troll and the N.T.

Can you point to evidence of my failure to try?

Typical diversion is take all the post say I don't understand then make it to complicated for everyone to bother trying.

A framework is the governing ideas, concepts and trend of thought in this context of online autism social chit chat.

Calling me an N.T, akin to an N.T and so on is the attempt to social psychologically just treat me (the name identity as C.I) as an outsider. In your language this would be like middle to high school N.T social behavior. In my understanding despite the attempt to condition one another to an aspie understand of the world and at times world-view it has fallen short and is not that much different then typical social behavior.

Let's see.

I don't understand, I don't understand, I don't understand and then I don't understand and without true attempt to understand specific statements I have made in an actual effort. I am quite used to others sitting down listening and respecting my words and creating conversation. The behavior present seems to be more of a rejection behavior.

I could say you guys are maybe really the N.T's. Would this neutralize the misunderstandings. Can we begin again?

Can you admit to the possibility that understanding is not present?



How do you objectively evaluate the level of my effort? I'll assume your capacity for abstraction allows you to strip your reasoning of emotion so it seems logical to conclude you have some objective measure of applied effort.



You have also stated that you are quite used to people having trouble with your grammar and writing style. That some do not only shows that some do and some don't. How do you conclude from this that the cohort of non-understanders are intellectual malingerers?



Where have I used any language that suggests rejection? Please quote me.



For us to begin again would that not suggest a lack of rejection on our part? If we are unwilling to attempt communication because we reject you then we would not begin again.

That I continue this conversation suggests rejection in what manner?

I want you to imagine for a moment you are a student in my post and are expected to ask questions about parts of what I have said so that you might understand if you do not. Right now the classroom because of a few had to be stopped because some rude participants. Yes people with autism can be rude on purpose and even if not on purpose in some settings should be corrected if able to be corrected. I'm hoping that instead of the few of you picking out my grammar problem as an excuse you will accommodate for the teachers learning and language disability as a sign of respect and dignity which Aspies want as well. If Aspie social cliques cannot treat people with autism that are abnormal from them because of intellectual gift, intellectual disability or barrier it is self-defeating and no respect is due to the social clique(s).

Now that the topic has gotten to the point of extreme disrespect some might call trolls I'll move on. My social rules I will post in more clear detail beyond my signature for now. I will be a bit of a pain in the buttox figuratively and those that do not adhere to the rules I will ignore. I have a public relations job and I need to have certain conversations. What I would call horse pooh is part of the rules to not have in the conversation.

Is this ok? Or is someone going to get upset?

From some of the behaviors presented thus far namely from one individual that I know works in a regular job I wouldn't want anyone under her guidance who had more severe disabilities for reasons of dignity. In fact if she was one of my support workers she'd be fired or suspended even if she had A.S. I will hire people with very high functioning autism in my growing organization as support professionals or administrative staff but should they treat me or others in my agency like I am treated online here as just a few have shown even in a casual way I wouldn't tolerate it.

I will start a new topic tonight. I'm finished with this one as I have some really good replies to look into.

Nathan Young

I'm not upset.

Why couldn't you answer my questions?


You do realize that autism is fundamentally a communicative disorder, do you not?

i myself always find it impossible to follow ci's train of thought, however i would never say so out of fear of being called an intellectually inferior nt =P my intellect is comfortably into the very superior range, so that is not the issue causing my lack of understanding. is it refusal to try to understand? hmmm no, altho it may be accurate to say that my disinterest in the particular subject causes me to lack the desire to put forth the effort to understand.

im still not sure what the original topic of the thread was

I will start a new topic tonight. I'm finished with this one as I have some really good replies to look into. want you to imagine for a moment you are a student in my post and are expected to ask questions about parts of what I have said so that you might understand if you do not. Right now the classroom because of a few had to be stopped because some rude participants. Yes people with autism can be rude on purpose and even if not on purpose in some settings should be corrected if able to be corrected. I'm hoping that instead of the few of you picking out my grammar problem as an excuse you will accommodate for the teachers learning and language disability as a sign of respect and dignity which Aspies want as well. [

I feel the same way as well. I feel that I'm constantly walking on egg shells when I'm posting in his threads. Sometimes my inner rebel comes out and I can be very blunt as a method of self defense. I'm afraid that he could be putting the moderators on me, right now. I'm sure that he thinks that I'm just another person who has an IQ below 85. He doesn't get how a rebel who identifies with a rock n roll icon can live independently. Isn't that funny.

I think it was somehow about forming an identity based around a disorder, or forming a view of yourself as engaging in battle with autism and simultaneously being autism. Identity fracturing though patterns, 'being' a disorder or some such idea.

That is where my train(wreck) of thought was led after the initial prompt he provided.

Autism will bankrupt you for it's own self gain.

It seems rather simple.

What do you think about this statement.