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26 Feb 2011, 7:25 am

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Okay, now show some proof. "Well, they kind of display symptoms of ASD" doesn't count. Lots of people display symptoms of ASD without actually being on the spectrum.


See my above comments.


Your "above comments" are a bunch of speculation and armchair diagnosis. Fail.


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26 Feb 2011, 7:31 am

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To say that historical figures like Da Vinci and Asimov didn't display clear signs of ASD is like saying Caligula didn't display signs of being a sociopath. We know that many current innovators ARE HFA.
I really don't understand how you can continue making these assertions given the preceding posts, which clearly illustrate the problems with presenting this idea as fact.


The first sentence is fact-- these historical figures did display signs of what is contemporarily considered HFA. This isn't to say they actually had it; of course we can never know for sure.



You might be able to build a case for Asimov as there is much more information available, some of it first hand from people still alive that actually knew him. DaVinci? Not chance in hell that anything you know of his personality, mental state, perceptions and daily life is sufficient to diagnose anything at all..



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At any rate, I am glad this thread has caused some good discussion, but it was intended to be light-hearted and it appears to have generated a lot of hostility, and I am surprised by how many forum members seem to be almost angry over it :( Well I've admitted I misspoke, anyone who wishes to continue the discussion can go from there.


I think it is a discussion worth having as well. I have no problem at all with finding positive roll models among those on the spectrum. I have no problem with looking for strengths within the deficits of autism. I have no problem with investigating the curious correlation between giftedness and autism. I do have a problem with conflating things far beyond what evidence actually suggests. Such thinking does a disservice to autistics and does not promote understanding.


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26 Feb 2011, 8:55 am

Daryl_Blonder wrote:
these historical figures did display signs of what is contemporarily considered HFA. This isn't to say they actually had it; of course we can never know for sure.
So it is just meaningless conjecture after all.
Glad we got that one sorted out. :roll:


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28 Feb 2011, 6:54 pm

Delirium wrote:
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Okay, now show some proof. "Well, they kind of display symptoms of ASD" doesn't count. Lots of people display symptoms of ASD without actually being on the spectrum.


See my above comments.


Your "above comments" are a bunch of speculation and armchair diagnosis. Fail.


??? What's up with the “fail?" In my most recent post I admitted I was wrong. I don’t see how it contains any “armchair diagnoses.”

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01 Mar 2011, 12:21 am

just wanna say "Aspies Rock!" :D

whatever spectrum or neurological status, from NT to everything else has something very cool about them but aspies are my favorite! 8O


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01 Apr 2013, 3:23 pm

I Googled "do aspies run the world" and it brought me here.
The question is what does run the world mean? If it means a society has enough geeky orientated people to have a significant effect on how that society runs then the answer is unquestionably yes.
You could have an accomplished aspie in a society where they are the one in ten thousand but they will have little effect on how day to day life works. If in a society aspies make up six percent of the people they will have influence throughout the society.

As for scientific evidence, an accurate and precise understanding the full breath and scope of neuro diversity is just not fully understood now let alone how that would effect how a society works. Personally I think an understanding of this could be lifetimes away.

As for which society that are most dominant I look at language adoption.
UK/USA English - The whole world, Spain - Latin America and Saudi Arabia Arabic - Middle East).



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01 Apr 2013, 11:04 pm

No. Will we? Maybe! But as you can see.. NTs would do their best to prevent that.
The people that run the world are more often than not murderers (directly and indirectly) and have lots and lots of money.
Aspies as well as NT scientists and other people with high IQs that contribute to growths in science, community, etc. are "tools" or stepping stones for the those that are on top.

A lot of the people on top are sociopathic or narcissistic.


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02 Apr 2013, 12:49 pm

I'm with Grandin.

Pareto's Law applies here, though - There will be a vital few Aspies who contribute change to the world vs. the trivial many of us who do not.. but among the people who do manage to engineer changes & advance technology, or write philosophy, or _______ there are (IMO) a heck of a lot of Aspies.

Don't be bitter if you're not among those with the IQ, focus, discipline, and high enough functioning capabilities to actually transform autistic insight into engineering change. Everything is exactly as it needs to be. Most of us won't do s**t in the grand scheme of global contributions.. but the few that do, Wow do they ever! 8) We couldn't have a few relatively successful anyone's if it weren't for the masses of "unsuccessful," average people. Worker bees:Queen ratio etc - but that doesn't meant that worker bees aren't vitally necessary. There's still value.. it's just ordinary vs. extraordinary is all.


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02 Apr 2013, 4:31 pm

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All of these revolutions in the Middle East came about because of the Internet and, specifically, Facebook...

...which was invented by an Aspie, who, according to some accounts, just wanted to mest girls.

Mark Zuckerberg has indirectly toppled two, possibly three, dictators who have been in power over millions of people for decades.

It may be because of him that the Arab world finally becomes free.

Oh yeah, and Aspies pretty much invented computers, too.

Pretty heavy stuff when you think about it.

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Didn't have a chance to read the whole thread, so will probably post again, but for now, and I may be wrong, it appears that the focus of the replies may be on who is or who is not on the spectrum rather than on who is actually intelligent and/or on how cause and effect works in terms of phenomena....

Also the focus does not appear to be on the many dumb things that so many aspies (such as myself) may have done and even are still doing (guess it might not be so well documented:-) and how profoundly the world might be affected if such people who are inherently very smart, perhaps smarter than they even know or ever dreamed, actually smartened up to their full potential and utilized their power to change the world rather than thinking about how they compare to some other people.



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02 Apr 2013, 5:35 pm

Aspies sometimes effect the world in a positive -if indirect way.
As the Arab Spring showed.

But we dont 'run the world".

And we certainly dont run the world as a self conscious class - running it for our group interests.

Would be nice if we did.