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kfisherx
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28 Mar 2011, 11:25 am

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......So whose fault is it? Huh is it your fault? I was finding fault with the people that told you you have a disability and that your life is sh**. So I am on your side dumbass. You have been victimized not by a disorder but by a society that calls you disabled when you aren't and by people on this forum who feed into the Disabled myth. Those people are the ones that need to f**k off.

Wow displaced arrogance AND attitude. LOL!

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28 Mar 2011, 11:29 am

Yeah I am being arrogant by telling people that it is ok to be a person with aspergers and they need to stop listening to the a**holes that keep victimizing them. If that is arrogance and attitude I'll take two more helpings please.

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28 Mar 2011, 11:37 am

Just curious, Gideon - who is victimising me?
I mean, if I'm supposed to stop listening to them it would be useful to know who they are.

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28 Mar 2011, 11:41 am

Since you are one of the people that are telling people that they are broken and that they are disabled, victim isn't a word I would use for you.

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28 Mar 2011, 11:42 am

Gideon, has it occurred to you that Asperger's is an extraordinarily heterogeneous condition which covers a broad range of ability/disability?

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28 Mar 2011, 11:43 am

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Gideon, has it occurred to you that Asperger's is an extraordinarily heterogeneous condition which covers a broad range of ability/disability?

Poke has it ever occurred to you that being an NT is an extraordinarily heterogeneous condition which covers a broad range of ability/disability?

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28 Mar 2011, 11:43 am

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Since you are one of the people that are telling people that they are broken and that they are disabled, victim isn't a word I would use for you.

Oh. I wasn't aware I was "telling" anyone those things, but no matter.
So what word would you use?

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28 Mar 2011, 11:47 am

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Add to this a lifetime of so-called 'depression' and various near-suicidal episodes, self-harm as a youngster, many risky encounters with illegal drugs, a constant struggle to maintain a shell of independence and confidence, ad nauseum.

Hmm well this all seems to be a disorder to me, and as diagnosed, but what would I know? :roll:

but I do know that I'm "broken"

I believe you were.

Of course your description of Depression and near suicide and illegal drugs etc also could be a apt depiction of alot of NTs...but what would I know? :roll:

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28 Mar 2011, 11:51 am

Cornflake:

Gideon wrote:

Until recently I had no idea what aspergers really was. Now I realize it is probably what has been the most debilitating part of my life However I have lived what I consider a great life my inability to understand social situations has had a toll on my social life.

From an early age I have always been forced to apologise for all kinds of things. For instance someone may verbally attack me but everyone around when this happens expects me to apologise to the person that attacked me even when I can't even imagine I did anything to provoke it. For years and years I refused to apologise when this happened to the point I pissed off lots of people. I have always said that casual acquaintances hate me and my friends who get to know me love me.

I may be misinterpreting some unspoken cues and making people dislike me and expect me to apologise? Is this common?

My emphasis. Which is it, Gideon? Something which can have negative effects, or something which is incorrectly blamed for negative effects arising from some other cause?

Is AS "debilitating" or not?

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28 Mar 2011, 11:52 am

Society is not going to change and adapt to people with AS or dwarfism or anything else, it's just not realistic. So you don't get to ignore how hard it is to adapt to reality and some of the limitations of living in a world built for someone else.

I agree with trying to show that AS does not limit what you can do, and showing that parts of it can be an advantage, but i disagree with trying to pretend it's all positive. Saying it would all go away if the world would just adapt itself to us seems like just another excuse for not dealing with the world that sits in front of you.

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28 Mar 2011, 11:53 am

Gideon wrote:

Cornflake wrote:

Hmm well this all seems to be a disorder to me, and as diagnosed, but what would I know? :roll:

but I do know that I'm "broken"

I believe you were.

Well, that's a really cheap trick.
Just to fully quote what you didn't:

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And thanks, but I already know I'm neither "wrong" nor a "victim", but I do know that I'm "broken" (if you really want to call it that, and I wouldn't).

I've bolded the part you appear to have missed.

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Of course your description of Depression and near suicide and illegal drugs etc also could be a apt depiction of alot of NTs...but what would I know? :roll:

That's becoming clearer with each post you make.

And BTW, you still didn't answer my question.

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28 Mar 2011, 11:56 am

Gideon wrote:

Poke wrote:

Gideon, has it occurred to you that Asperger's is an extraordinarily heterogeneous condition which covers a broad range of ability/disability?

Poke has it ever occurred to you that being an NT is an extraordinarily heterogeneous condition which covers a broad range of ability/disability?

You're not getting it.

The fact that NTs can be "disabled" (or antisocial, or whatever) doesn't mean that the disability of someone with Asperger's isn't a result of or confluent with their Asperger's.

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28 Mar 2011, 11:57 am

ZeroGravitas wrote:

Cornflake:

Gideon wrote:

My emphasis. Which is it, Gideon? Something which can have negative effects, or something which is incorrectly blamed for negative effects arising from some other cause?

Is AS "debilitating" or not?

QFT
(and thanks, ZeroGravitas)

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28 Mar 2011, 11:58 am

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Cornflake:

Gideon wrote:

Until recently I had no idea what being Black really was. Now I realize it is probably what has been the most debilitating part of my life However I have lived what I consider a great life my black skin has had a toll on my social life.

My emphasis. Which is it, Gideon? Something which can have negative effects, or something which is incorrectly blamed for negative effects arising from some other cause?

Is AS "debilitating" or not?

Is being a black man disabling or not?

There is no real difference. Being overly emotional can be debilitating as well. What of it? Hell being overly intelligent can be debilitating. It doesn't mean these things are actual disabilities which need the support of the state pr even a label. Nor does the fact I lament the need for more sociability mean I consider myself disabled in any way read what I wrote "I have had a great life". I consider myself different.

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28 Mar 2011, 12:00 pm

Gideon wrote:

To catch their attention the first thing that needs to be done is that people with aspergers need to stop referring to themselves as disabled. How do you convince an NT that you aren't some mentally disturbed anti-social monster when other people who share aspergers with keep telling the NTs that we need to be treated as less than normal.

Second thing that needs to be done is to focus on the many Aspergers' successful lives rather than the failures and to quit setting up other aspies to fail. I am new to this community but in the short time I have been here what I have seen appalls me.

Imagine that during the civil rights movement large numbers of African Americans sided with the racists and stated that blacks were inferior to whites. That is exactly what these people on this thread and this site for that matter are doing when they try to convince people with aspergers that they are somehow disabled.

Damn right Pokey that pisses me off.

'Disabled' - as a word - does nothing to hold people back. It merely distinguishes the 'norm' from those not the 'norm'. In and of itself it does not pass judgement. Other people ascribing stereotypes to the word are the problem. If the community had another word that described their difficulties in a manner that did not discount them nor engender bias against them while also classifying them as an individual that does need assistance to get by in life, I think it would be a welcomed change.

I think this community does a wonderful job encouraging others to improve and better themselves where applicable BUT, it is first and foremost a support community. A refuge for those who have no place else to turn, no one who understands or listens. Yes, there are alot of sympathic ears here and there are alot of people coming here being heard for the first time in their life. Without support, no one can move forward and better themselves. This site is just a single step on that journey - it cannot be the big brother, family friend or mentor that helps an individual physically take the next step. It can provide encouragement and a sense of community. Expecting a website to provide more than that might be expecting too much.

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28 Mar 2011, 12:01 pm

Gideon wrote:

Is being a black man disabling or not?

Pfft. What a cop-out. :lol:

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