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Do you believe in god?
Yes (Asperger) 37%  37%  [ 69 ]
No (Asperger) 60%  60%  [ 112 ]
Yes (NT) 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
No (NT) 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
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11 Apr 2011, 8:58 am

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twinsmummy20: I do not agre. I belive in Gods mercy so much.


God has so much mercy that he sent His Son to die on the cross for my sins and the sins of the world. God showed us the ultimate mercy. He is long suffering towards us that NONE should perish, but have everlasting life. Unfortunately the fact of the matter is that some people will reject God and cling to the world and things of the world,Its sad and terrible and I wish it wasnt so, but unfortunately God can not have fellowship with people who didnt accept him.


LOL, god, if s/he indeed exists, sits there and watches millions of people and other creatures suffer everyday, not doing anything to change it even though this god is meant to be omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent. If there's a god, that god is sadistic.



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11 Apr 2011, 9:13 am

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CockneyRebel : I do not think people here are so narow minded to atack you for your beiliefs.


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:



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11 Apr 2011, 9:19 am

Asp-Z wrote:
twinsmummy20 wrote:
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twinsmummy20: I do not agre. I belive in Gods mercy so much.


God has so much mercy that he sent His Son to die on the cross for my sins and the sins of the world. God showed us the ultimate mercy. He is long suffering towards us that NONE should perish, but have everlasting life. Unfortunately the fact of the matter is that some people will reject God and cling to the world and things of the world,Its sad and terrible and I wish it wasnt so, but unfortunately God can not have fellowship with people who didnt accept him.


LOL, god, if s/he indeed exists, sits there and watches millions of people and other creatures suffer everyday, not doing anything to change it even though this god is meant to be omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent. If there's a god, that god is sadistic.


Take it to the PPR forum. This particular "observation" has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years and is easily refuted, primarily by abandoning anthropomorphic characterizations of entities of sufficient scope to be considered deities. But that argument does not belong on this thread.


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11 Apr 2011, 9:19 am

I have Asperger's Syndrome and I am a devoted Episcopalian.

I love theology but find theological debates with unthinking non-believers to be boring and repetitive. They don't progress in their arguments or consider opposing information, so they just end up repeating themselves ad nauseum. I might as well debate abortion with a Roman Catholic as to debate God's omnipotence with an Atheist. Both scenarios provide the same headache. When someone thinks people aren't too narrow on this forum to attack a believer for having beliefs, they haven't been paying attention. That's about all that does happen. I find myself feeling very frustrated, especially when people try to claim that Aspergers automatically means a specific way of thinking, believing or acting. Anyone educated in Autism should know better.



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11 Apr 2011, 9:38 am

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This particular "observation" has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years and is easily refuted


I could say the same thing about the entire Bible ;)



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11 Apr 2011, 9:58 am

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This particular "observation" has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years and is easily refuted


I could say the same thing about the entire Bible ;)


And I could say The FSM wrote it. But saying things is easy.


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11 Apr 2011, 9:58 am

Ai_Ling: That was probably one of the first questions I had about Christianity, I probably asked it when I was eight or so. What I have found is that there are several theories on that. There is a verse that says something to the effect of "Nature tells of God, so that no one has an excuse" And another verse that says that there will be nations and people that we don't know of up in heaven. I think that although that believing Christ is the only way to be saved, you don't have to know his name for that to happen. You pretty much just have to know you can't do life on your own, and surrender to God's mercy to save you. And there have been several documented cases of unreached people groups being told about God and Jesus and them saying something along the lines of "I always knew that was true, but now I have a name for it" Kind of like how I always knew I was an aspie, but now I have a name for it, lol.



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11 Apr 2011, 10:02 am

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And I could say The FSM wrote it.


And that'd make just as much sense as saying a guy who was born from a virgin, died then came back to life, and flew into the f**king sky had anything to do with it.

In fact, I say this is what really happened:

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Makes every bit of sense the bible does.



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11 Apr 2011, 11:39 am

It's dumb how self-proclaimed Atheists spend all their time trying to convert people but then bad-mouth Christians for the same. They make Atheism into just another religion with blind zealous fervor and disrespectful rhetoric. That's not how real Atheists like to conduct themselves and I've often discovered that real atheists are ashamed of these people calling themselves Atheists. Richard Dawkins is to Atheism what Pat Robertson is to Christianity.



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11 Apr 2011, 11:44 am

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It's dumb how self-proclaimed Atheists spend all their time trying to convert people but then bad-mouth Christians for the same. They make Atheism into just another religion with blind zealous fervor and disrespectful rhetoric. That's not how real Atheists like to conduct themselves and I've often discovered that real atheists are ashamed of these people calling themselves Atheists. Richard Dawkins is to Atheism what Pat Robertson is to Christianity.


Atheism is a religion. You have to have faith to believe there is no God when you look around this world.



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11 Apr 2011, 11:54 am

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It's dumb how self-proclaimed Atheists spend all their time trying to convert people but then bad-mouth Christians for the same. They make Atheism into just another religion with blind zealous fervor and disrespectful rhetoric. That's not how real Atheists like to conduct themselves and I've often discovered that real atheists are ashamed of these people calling themselves Atheists. Richard Dawkins is to Atheism what Pat Robertson is to Christianity.


Atheism is a religion. You have to have faith to believe there is no God when you look around this world.


Atheism, by definition, is not a religion. It is a lack of belief. I wouldn't go all Bill O'Reilly about how the world works. Science is a friend.

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11 Apr 2011, 12:04 pm

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Atheism, by definition, is not a religion. It is a lack of belief. I wouldn't go all Bill O'Reilly about how the world works. Science is a friend.


That is a contemporary definition, but not the only one. It is one often used to avoid the fact that lack of belief is still a form of belief. It is impossible to lack belief because you must at some point stop gathering data and decide. This means decisions are made on incomplete data and you must ultimately believe that your process for deciding is of sufficient validity to result in a preferred outcome while still not knowing all the possible variants.

Atheists believe, they just believe differently.


This thread is doomed. It shall be sent to PPR hell soon. I'm surprised that it went 5 pages without being moved.


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11 Apr 2011, 12:06 pm

wefunction wrote:
twinsmummy20 wrote:
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It's dumb how self-proclaimed Atheists spend all their time trying to convert people but then bad-mouth Christians for the same. They make Atheism into just another religion with blind zealous fervor and disrespectful rhetoric. That's not how real Atheists like to conduct themselves and I've often discovered that real atheists are ashamed of these people calling themselves Atheists. Richard Dawkins is to Atheism what Pat Robertson is to Christianity.


Atheism is a religion. You have to have faith to believe there is no God when you look around this world.


Atheism, by definition, is not a religion. It is a lack of belief. I wouldn't go all Bill O'Reilly about how the world works. Science is a friend.

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I have never seen Bill OReilly as we dont have a television in our home, so I am not sure of the reference you make.

Poor wording on my part. Atheism for some turns into a full time religion (rational response). People who pour over it and look into it and spend hours every week, more then even a christian, to prove someone wrong.

It does take faith however to believe in Atheism. You have faith that you are right and there is no God. I think it takes an awful lot of faith to believe that.



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11 Apr 2011, 12:11 pm

twinsmummy20 wrote:
wefunction wrote:
twinsmummy20 wrote:
wefunction wrote:
It's dumb how self-proclaimed Atheists spend all their time trying to convert people but then bad-mouth Christians for the same. They make Atheism into just another religion with blind zealous fervor and disrespectful rhetoric. That's not how real Atheists like to conduct themselves and I've often discovered that real atheists are ashamed of these people calling themselves Atheists. Richard Dawkins is to Atheism what Pat Robertson is to Christianity.


Atheism is a religion. You have to have faith to believe there is no God when you look around this world.


Atheism, by definition, is not a religion. It is a lack of belief. I wouldn't go all Bill O'Reilly about how the world works. Science is a friend.

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I have never seen Bill OReilly as we dont have a television in our home, so I am not sure of the reference you make.

Poor wording on my part. Atheism for some turns into a full time religion (rational response). People who pour over it and look into it and spend hours every week, more then even a christian, to prove someone wrong.

It does take faith however to believe in Atheism. You have faith that you are right and there is no God. I think it takes an awful lot of faith to believe that.


Why do you think that when someone stops being a christian that they're referred to as "losing faith"?

It's unfortunate you missed the O'Reilly thing. It was really, really funny.



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11 Apr 2011, 12:15 pm

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Why do you think that when someone stops being a christian that they're referred to as "losing faith"?


You are contextualizing the word "faith" in a way that invokes a rather specific meaning. Faith can be more general than belief in Christianity.


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11 Apr 2011, 12:24 pm

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Why do you think that when someone stops being a christian that they're referred to as "losing faith"?


You are contextualizing the word "faith" in a way that invokes a rather specific meaning. Faith can be more general than belief in Christianity.


Tell me there's more than semantics to the argument that Atheism is a religion.