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15 Apr 2011, 8:17 pm

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The perception that disabilities are being manufactured, in order to provide those of weak physical, emotional or mental constitution with an excuse, is at the heart of the demotivational poster's message. Whether that is an implicit or inferred part of the message one can only guess, I hope that it is truly sarcasm that was intended.


Agreed and equally hoped for.

They aren't laughing with us, they are laughing at us. I see a big difference there.



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15 Apr 2011, 8:22 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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Just remember the Nazis made posters of the jews being compared to rats I am sure there were quite a few Jews who found those posters laughable or riddicules. I wonder how many of those Jews who did not find the Nazi propaganda posters all that offensive survived the death camps they were put into?


A few demotivation posters about Autism hardly compare to Hitler.


Its not about Hitler its about being dehumanized. When the average German citizen saw the propaganda posters they thought it must be true no one tore them down so they must be true. They turned a blind eye when they came for the Jews saying nothing in their defense. With the right propaganda campaign they could do anything to us and the people who laughed at the silly posters poking fun at autism will not do a damned thing to stop it. They will think what was on the posters was true no one was stopped from putting the posters up even the autistics did nothing to stop it..


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15 Apr 2011, 8:23 pm

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I was visiting some old friends at university a few weeks ago. I noticed when walking down the hallway there was this poster titled 'Autism' and the words underneath it "Because being an a**hole is a disease" On the photo as well there was this image of an autistic child playing in a field in his own world and that kind of thing :?

Do you think that was a disgusting and unfair poster or not?


This poster is offensive. Autism and Aspergers (and other diagnosis on the spectrum) is a diagnosed condition (n.b. I did not say "disease"). Many people with autism are also considered "persons with disabilites" due to their condition.

Hence...

This poster has no place on the grounds of the university (free speech notwithstanding).

One would not be allowed to display racist or homophobic material (e.g. "Homosexuality. Because mincing fairies are 'born that way' "). One should not be allowed to post this unfunny, hurtful poster.

If you see something like this at a publically funded institution or area - make a formal complaint and use the words - "offensive and derogatory to people with disabilities" - I can almost guarantee that the offending material will be removed quickly



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15 Apr 2011, 8:24 pm

Todesking wrote:
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Just remember the Nazis made posters of the jews being compared to rats I am sure there were quite a few Jews who found those posters laughable or riddicules. I wonder how many of those Jews who did not find the Nazi propaganda posters all that offensive survived the death camps they were put into?


A few demotivation posters about Autism hardly compare to Hitler.


Its not about Hitler its about being dehumanized. When the average German citizen saw the propaganda posters they thought it must be true no one tore them down so they must be true. They turned a blind eye when they came for the Jews saying nothing in their defense. With the right propaganda campaign they could do anything to us and the people who laughed at the silly posters poking fun at autism will not do a damned thing to stop it. They will think what was on the posters was true no one was stopped from putting the posters up even the autistics did nothing to stop it..


We're talking two completely different animals here, though. Anyone with half a brain knows the demotivation posters are purposely offensive. Propaganda posters were used because they honestly believed that crap.

I get what you're saying about dehumanization, but I just don't see the big deal. It's not like demotivation posters pick on Autism only. Everyone and everything is fair game.

Or is it only not funny when you belong to the group they're making fun of?


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15 Apr 2011, 8:28 pm

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Just remember the Nazis made posters of the jews being compared to rats I am sure there were quite a few Jews who found those posters laughable or ridiculous


What is more important to remember about the Nazis is that they first turned their eugenics espousing murder machine on those deemed mentally ill or unfit. Their arguments were presented as simple statements of economic expediency and practical compassion. "Their families can't support them", "they waste resources", "they, and their families, would be better off not living that way", etc., all very seductive given that it was the depth of The Great Depression.


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15 Apr 2011, 8:30 pm

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Just remember the Nazis made posters of the jews being compared to rats I am sure there were quite a few Jews who found those posters laughable or ridiculous


What is more important to remember about the Nazis is that they first turned their eugenics espousing murder machine on those deemed mentally ill or unfit. Their arguments were presented as simple statements of economic expediency and practical compassion. "Their families can't support them", "they waste resources", "they, and their families, would be better off not living that way", etc., all very seductive given that it was the depth of The Great Depression.


lol What? This is slightly paranoid thinking. I admit, it's amusing me, though.


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15 Apr 2011, 8:33 pm

:hail: :lmao:


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15 Apr 2011, 8:41 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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Just remember the Nazis made posters of the jews being compared to rats I am sure there were quite a few Jews who found those posters laughable or ridiculous


What is more important to remember about the Nazis is that they first turned their eugenics espousing murder machine on those deemed mentally ill or unfit. Their arguments were presented as simple statements of economic expediency and practical compassion. "Their families can't support them", "they waste resources", "they, and their families, would be better off not living that way", etc., all very seductive given that it was the depth of The Great Depression.


lol What? This is slightly paranoid thinking. I admit, it's amusing me, though.


It was, my friend, a statement of fact. I am pointing out something I've always found disturbing about Nazis, not making a connection to the autism poster and its purpose. The Nazis started with the mentally ill, that is a fact, and that is the only point I was intending to make. You took me far too literally and made a connection I did not intend. I was commenting on a comment about the Nazis, I 'went tangential' for a moment.

IMHO, my attitude towards the poster is probably similar to yours - it is just a joke and it shouldn't be responded to with an overly aggressive passion that could be more damaging from a civil rights perspective. It's a bad joke but it's still a joke. Having said that, I do agree that it has no place on publicly funded properties.


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15 Apr 2011, 8:43 pm

Dinosaw wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Dinosaw wrote:
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Just remember the Nazis made posters of the jews being compared to rats I am sure there were quite a few Jews who found those posters laughable or ridiculous


What is more important to remember about the Nazis is that they first turned their eugenics espousing murder machine on those deemed mentally ill or unfit. Their arguments were presented as simple statements of economic expediency and practical compassion. "Their families can't support them", "they waste resources", "they, and their families, would be better off not living that way", etc., all very seductive given that it was the depth of The Great Depression.


lol What? This is slightly paranoid thinking. I admit, it's amusing me, though.


It was, my friend, a statement of fact. I am pointing out something I've always found disturbing about Nazis, not making a connection to the autism poster and its purpose. The Nazis started with the mentally ill, that is a fact, and that is the only point I was intending to make. You took me far too literally and made a connection I did not intend. I was commenting on a comment about the Nazis, I 'went tangential' for a moment.

IMHO, my attitude towards the poster is probably similar to yours - it is just a joke and it shouldn't be responded to with an overly aggressive passion that could be more damaging from a civil rights perspective. It's a bad joke but it's still a joke. Having said that, I do agree that it has no place on publicly funded properties.


Oops. lol Sorry.


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15 Apr 2011, 8:48 pm

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Propaganda posters were used because they honestly believed that crap.


If they already believed the Jews were evil then why did they need to racist posters for something they already knew? They were made to believe the propaganda by showing the government accepted it and there for so should they the people believe it.

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I get what you're saying about dehumanization, but I just don't see the big deal. It's not like demotivation posters pick on Autism only. Everyone and everything is fair game.


I have yet seen a one of these demotivation posters making fun of blacks or other minorities why us? Is it alright to hate autistics?

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Or is it only not funny when you belong to the group they're making fun of?


I never have posted a link to or made such posters after going through 4 decades of people hating me for no reason except for me being different I do not wish to promote hate against anyone except those who for whatever reason are my enemy. I would never use my enemy's disabilities, race, religion, or social standing to insult them to easy to use those against them.


1) To anger them and make them want to hurt the Jews.

2) I've seen plenty making fun of all kinds of minorities, but I don't have the patience to go looking for proof. Suffice it to say, Autism is not special in this regard.

3) Holy s**t... extreme reaction much? We're all hated for something for no good reason. I don't go out and bash Fundamentalists for thinking I should be raped 'straight', but I sure do chuckle when I see a demotivation making fun of them. As a matter of fact, I make fun of MYSELF all the time.


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15 Apr 2011, 8:59 pm

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Oops. lol Sorry.


No need to apologize, I should have stayed 'on topic'.


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15 Apr 2011, 9:06 pm

Yes the poster is offensive but unfortunately it is an honest appraisel of what neurotypical people think of autistic people but they won't actually say it so bluntly. The neurotypical person would ask the question as to why any sane person would hire an autistic "in his own little world" to work at a nuclear power plant with potential disastourous consequences both to himself and the local population. Yet what the neurotypicals fail to realize is that autistics with a high level of imagination could have imagined what the effects of an earthquake and a tidal wave would be even before the event happened. So ironically it is in the interests of safety as to why an autistic should be hired rather than the other way around so long as the autistics daydream is work related.



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15 Apr 2011, 9:08 pm

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3) Holy sh**... extreme reaction much? We're all hated for something for no good reason. I don't go out and bash Fundamentalists for thinking I should be raped 'straight', but I sure do chuckle when I see a demotivation making fun of them. As a matter of fact, I make fun of MYSELF all the time.


O_O Maybe you should be... believing women can be 'raped straight' is way outside the acceptable human behavior zone... A demotivational poster is kinda not a strong enough statement for something like that.

holy crap.



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15 Apr 2011, 9:28 pm

I tend to be harshly critical of fundamentalists for a long list of reasons. I don't see any reason not to be.



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15 Apr 2011, 10:19 pm

I have seen that poster before. It is satirical but I can understand why people would get offended by it. The picture itself was from an article about an autistic child in Time Magazine and whoever developed that poster simply swiped that picture. I don't know though if it was Michael Savage that developed it.


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