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14 May 2011, 6:25 pm

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By the way, I live in BC & we have a huge ASD population here because the government supports them very well. I've found out recently that two friends have ASD and I had no idea, they both have inflated Egos... they are still my equals. Both way more powerful and intelligent than me but I can see the system has probably had an affect on them. I also have met some really cool people with ASD like my homeless buddy he kinda looks like jesus, & he's really chill a good friend.

Hmm. I honestly do not think that there is huge ASD population where you live, just people claiming they have ASD or any other type of problem in order to get government support. Happens all the time, especially in countries where government is more of nanny state. You claim that people with ASD have inflated egos. Are you admitting that you have inflated ego yourself?

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14 May 2011, 6:34 pm

But don't you need a diagnoses to get gov. support? You need a label written down on paper to prove you have it. That's the way it is here in the USA. Things could be different in Canada.

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14 May 2011, 6:50 pm

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The figure I've seen (but not authoritatively checked) is that 0.6% of Incapacity Benefit claims in the UK are fraudulent. The tabloid press, egged on by the Government, has for years been conducting a vicious disinformation campaign which deliberately refuses to distinguish between genuine claimants and criminals. Disabled people are living in terror. There have been suicides. The system of "medical" checks set up by the Department of Work and Pensions and Atos Healthcare is itself corrupt beyond belief. I know this both from personal experience, and from reading, such as this Guardian article, and its 171 readers' comments:
'The medical was an absolute joke' | Politics | The Guardian
On what do you base your assertion that false disability claims happen "all the time" under "nanny" states? And what kind of criminal mastermind do you imagine it is that goes to the trouble of feigning disability in order to live on £90 per week (including all bills except rent)? Or are you talking about organised criminal gangs systematically creating false identities of non-existent disabled people and employing stooges to impersonate these fictions? Just what exactly do you have in mind?

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14 May 2011, 7:50 pm

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Or, he, like you, thinks there are a lot of people on fraudulently on disability benefits without any actual evidence. All disability programs could be completely eliminated and there would still be people complaining about how "too many fakers are cheating disability." People don't know WTH they're talking about.

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14 May 2011, 10:57 pm

Rasta wrote:

You shouldn't be offended...

basically everything I'm saying is - aspergers doesn't exist, you guys can live happier lives & not be treated like there's something wrong with you.

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I don't write very much here & it honestly feels like I've lived more good experiences in the past year of my life than the other 19 years combined. I'm way more grateful for good health now that I understand what it feels like, it's like being in prison most of your life, finally being freed & you enjoy life even more than most people. I would write about how horrible my life was if I was looking for sympathy, but I got way too much of that as a child.

Feel free to take a look in the DSM-IV-TR. Don't say that Asperger's doesn't exist - it just makes you look bad here.

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15 May 2011, 1:15 am

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My landlord will disrespect my privacy, make unreasonable judgement & statements, then when she can't start an argument or even make me angry, she'll go further and further to the point where I'm getting removed from this homeshare. My support worker rants about her more than I do. I'm moving in with a really nice bhuddist family though I'm excited.

So when your calling me angry and all this type of deal, I'm not going to get angry over the internet... actually I'm mentally sending you as much love as I can because I think you need it. I dislike the way the systems are run including forums like these I think they are purposefully manipulated by esoteric groups. I was first going to ignore you because I watch people have debates like these and they never end & just get longer & longer - waste of time.

and yes I don't think aspergers exists, & im using the system.

If you can find me any "cureby" forum as they call people like me, I'll leave and go spread this information there... but they've set up all these walls around curing autism like it's such a scary & complex thing when in my reality, i see it differently.

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yes, hitler was a vegetarian... u think he was doing it for the poor innocent little animals? ... or for his health.

Just want to say, Hitler was actually a flexitarian. He ate a mostly vegetarian diet, but would occasionally eat stuffed pigeon in restaurants, or sausage every now and then. A vegetarian obstains completely from meat eating, so he doesnt qualify.

Also, a lot of his vegetarian posturing was him wanting to have an image of a "caring person, father to the country" which he was fond of cultivating as part of his propaganda.

A real vegetarian does not do it because they wish to pose, they do it for many reasons, including because of ethical concerns of animal treatment, health reasons, environmental or economic reasons.

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15 May 2011, 3:03 am

Einstein was a physicist. Why should I take his advice on nutrition? I don't ask a medical doctor to build me a nuclear reactor, do I?

And Rasta, take my word - living with AS, but without the existence of the diagnosis, was hell. It's not like all my problems suddenly sprang fully-grown from my forehead, like Venus from the forehead of Jupiter, the moment someone mentioned "Asperger" to me; I am who I always was, for good or ill. I knew there was something wrong back in the bad old days, everyone around me knew there was something wrong - but nobody knew quite what, just that something wasn't right. Instead of "autistic", I got to be labeled "stupid", "weird", "lazy", and "crazy". Do you honestly think you'd have been happier growing up with those labels? Because you would have gotten some label - the world is so fond of its labels, it's so much easier to pigeonhole people that way...

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15 May 2011, 3:07 am

Rasta, I think you're sincere in what you are saying, and are not deliberately trying to troll. But what you're saying reminds me of someone telling a type-I diabetic, "you don't need that insulin, just eat better and chill out and everything will be fine!" It would be nice if it was that simple, but it isn't.

I had no knowledge of ASD's until I was about 27, and that doesn't mean things were great up until then. In doing what I needed to do to survive and move forward with life, with no accommodations, assistance, or any understanding of what I was dealing with, I ended up becoming more disabled than when I started. It's important to know the truth of things.
A good attitude is rarely a bad thing, but it is also not always a sufficient thing. And the same for a good diet.

I have hellish food intolerances, and getting my diet fixed does allow me to feel & function better. But that isn't a cure or a fix for everything. So, it's helpful, but it doesn't 'fix' everything.

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15 May 2011, 3:33 am

League_Girl wrote:

But don't you need a diagnoses to get gov. support? You need a label written down on paper to prove you have it. That's the way it is here in the USA. Things could be different in Canada.

In the UK it is not so much about diagnosis as symptoms. Plus you have to have the right symptoms for the assessment, and make sure you tell them you have those specific symptoms, using the language the computer will recognise.

They keep changing the assessment, which is done by either a General Nurse, Doctor, or Physiotherapist, using a computer programme. They have recently made it even harder for people with mental health problems, learning disabilities, and ASD to qualify by removing a lot of the qualifying criteria.

Over here its all about how well you know the system. For example, if you arrive at the assessment centre unaccompanied, and admit you are able to make a cup of tea, then you are unlikely to 'pass', and will lose benefit entitlement.

I know a man who was only recently release from psychiatric hospital, who had a diagnosis of schizophrenia, and was living in a home for people with mental health problems. He failed his medical for disability benefits.

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15 May 2011, 4:22 am

Henbane wrote:

League_Girl wrote:

But don't you need a diagnoses to get gov. support? You need a label written down on paper to prove you have it. That's the way it is here in the USA. Things could be different in Canada.

I'm glad I'm not the UK then. No wonder lot of people with disabilities are upset about their new system.

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15 May 2011, 5:30 am

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Todesking.... you just blew my mind. yet further evidence of godwins law in the works XD

@Rasta - Its all up to the individual as to whether vegetarianism/veganism is better or not. I refuse to get into the morals/ethics as to why some people do it, but from a dietary perspective that I can easily reference my dietitian about, it isn't always the best. For some people it can actually do far more harm than good, especially if you don't take supplements along with the changeover to vegetarian/veganism. Diet is an extremely fine balancing act, and each individual' body has different nuances that require a different balance. As for my main rules regarding my own (and I am in very good health and all.), moderation is key along with going with having more natural food products in your diet.
Now if someone has to harp on me for my somewhat meat heavy diet, I do eat plenty of the "RIGHT" fruits and vegetables to keep a balance. As for the meat it is always lean cuts direct from either my local butcher (who actually is certified free range and organic as well as being a close friend of mine), or something I have hunted/caught myself (byproducts which end up becoming fertilizer for my neighbors garden).
Ill respect Vegetarians and vegans as long as they don't try converting people or spout off the claim that their way is the only right way to eat. Last person who did that to me wound up crying in a corner from a few choice words and actions, mostly from me telling him to sod off and continuing with my meal. FYI this was during lunch break at work and I always bring my own food. In fact another vegan I work with was glad I told him off because those are the sorts that cause a bit of a stigma towards that lifestyle.

I understand your point of view, because at one point I didn't care about the animals but when you start going on the diet you start caring for all living things. I don't think what I eat makes me better than anyone else I'm just lucky to understand how "foods" are "moods".

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Einstein probably couldn't have cared less for people. He was in his world of physics. I don't think he could have written something as eloquently as that.

I have taken much interest in Einstein's strong ethical views, and philosophical writings. He was not selected for the Manhattan Project, because his worldly mind (as in not loyal to any nation, loyal only to science) was considered a threat to the US' goals in particular. I certainly think he cared about people, about humanity in general. He actually sent a letter to Roosevelt requesting that the Atomic Bomb only be used as a show of force, because to use it a populated area would be terribly inhumane. (sadly, Roosevelt died while Einstein's letter sat on his desk, unread - Hirshoma and Nagasaki followed 4 months later)

Einstein also criticized other scientists of his time for not asking the "why" question as they pursued thier work. Regarding this:

"‎I believe that the horrifying deterioration in the ethical conduct of people today stems from the mechanization and dehumanization of our lives. A disasterous byproduct of the development of the technical and scientific mentality. We are guilty. Man grows cold faster than the planet he inhabits. ... There is no honor to the origin of this great technology. Spirit must again overcome technology."

I tend to find Einstein's morality rather inspirational. It was a major distinguishing aspect of his work.

Loved this post! Thanks for the good read

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KRS-One is a great guy, i was at one of his shows and at a moment i suddenly felt oppressed by the noise level (it was probably comfortable to everyone else, but i have this whole thing with noise and fluctuating anxiety) he immediately told the sounds man it didnt need to be that loud (at other points he seemed to be reading & talking directly to people in the audience). There are so very few people ive seen who project that genuine 'conscious' vibe (ie being in direct communication with the creative spirit, and not an impersonation iyswim). I feel i can consider this diet without my usual compulsions to verify every little thing academically.

btw rasta, have you come across adampants2007/adampants2008? (youtube/google) You sound like you might be receptive to his stuff

my vague gut feeling on autism (and i hesitate to put it that strongly) is that its a genetic variation that confers various traits that arnt necessarily a bad thing in itself, but unfortunately accompanies, to varying degrees a low threshold for handling environmental stresses. A difficulty in excreting metals or other toxins seems to fit in with this. Ive been torn between sometimes feeling that im naturally different and relatively comfortable with my identity and at some other times feeling that im 'not quite myself' and something happenned a long time ago that prevented me developing into my natural persona. i hope that makes sense.

And your quite right that aspergers doesnt exist, at least not in any clinical way and its a great shame that so many people identify so strongly with a social construct as clinging to a false consciousness can hold people back. The 'them & us' paradign that you see with the 'NTs' is a striking symptom of this, some people will place limitations on their experiences before they even happen & especially the younger people this can colour their whole life. But, on the other hand ive met some great friends and likeminded people through networks like this one so its swings and roundabouts i suppose - its largely a matter of how positively you can handle it. Note that im not denying that the struggles and unique difficulties faced by each individual on wrongplanet exist - neurodiversity is real, im just saying that accepting the labels that the medical model conjures up out of not very much isnt entirely helpful. you can end up subtley molding yourself around them without realising it.

Thank you so much for your response, I understand the psychic energy you speak of and it pleases me to hear it's more common that I probably would have otherwise assumed. I have one friend I met IRL with aspergers can literally read your mind & it's really impressive. He knows how your feeling within seconds of seeing you, if your hiding something, he also talks about people's auras which I don't quite understand but I trust in his abilities. He's a scorpio which suits his powerful nature (physically and mentally).

Going through ego death on LSD I remember just falling to the floor crying because for whatever reason my ability to feel was suppressed so much of my life... and it felt so good to cry. LSD showed me the intensity of life I could achieve if I only watched my health, and that's why I started on this path which has led me to happiness.

I had surgery on my neck when I was a child, also my heart stopped for like a couple seconds or something while I was being born... so those are two things that could be related to my issues.

I think you could be right on the Genetic Variation thing. It's similar to the "Indigo Children" & "Crystal Being" idea, if you want to learn more about that concept you could check http://www.in5d.com/. I'm not assuming that I'm one of those people because I havn't studied the concept enough and I'm not going to bother wishful thinking

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Checking out Adam##'s videos now, thanks for the thorough and interesting response.

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15 May 2011, 7:06 am

Another great way to troll a forum is to post a controversial article, wait until you have got a lot of angry and/or critical responses, and then extensively edit your original post, so that the historical record is muddied, and nobody can any longer even see the original source of all the debate. That is sure to generate yet more annoyance, confusion, and best of all, lots more posts.

For added fun and games, even change the title of the whole thread!

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15 May 2011, 7:11 am

Twirlip: do you think it's time to put one of these here as a warning?

His name is Bertie...

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15 May 2011, 7:24 am

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His name is Bertie...

After Bertrand Russell?! LOL!

Or maybe not ...

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15 May 2011, 7:34 am

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His name is Bertie...

After Bertrand Russell?! LOL!

Or maybe not ...

I don't know where that name came from! It's my random mind going into overload again! :lol:

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15 May 2011, 8:40 am

Time to put this thread out of its misery.

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