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26 Jul 2011, 4:44 am

Not really all that psychic, but I have had some bouts of 6th sense type feelings as of late, also adnormal Da-Ja-Vus at times as well, and the dreams part also tend to be close to that, also another to mention is change in religion to Shintoism has also awaken some senses I never though I had which for some reason has improved only about 5% of some form of psychic ablities, but I usually never looked at it this way.



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26 Jul 2011, 8:11 am

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Not really all that psychic, but I have had some bouts of 6th sense type feelings as of late, also adnormal Da-Ja-Vus at times as well, and the dreams part also tend to be close to that, also another to mention is change in religion to Shintoism has also awaken some senses I never though I had which for some reason has improved only about 5% of some form of psychic ablities, but I usually never looked at it this way.


It does seem to me that switching to an outlook that allows for these kinds of experiences leads to more experiences of that kind. At least, it had a big effect on me, going from not analyzing my experiences as psychic, to not believing in their possibility and not having them, to admitting their possibility and having them again.



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26 Jul 2011, 8:30 am

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I'll give you an example from real life; button pushing. I know exactly what to say to people to get reactions and rub them the wrong way. It's like I know it before I know anything about them. Let's say someone doesn't like seafood. I will go on and on about how much I like it before finding out they hate it. This often happens. People wonder how I know what to say to irritate them.

Some might chalk it up to coincidence but it happens too much to just be that.

Seriously, I have been accused of following people around when that is absolutely the last thing I would do just because I know stuff about their day without them telling.

I even got a phone psychic job because of it. So, you can believe what you want and I will choose what I believe.

I know what I have experienced and I seek out scientific explanations.


The scientific explanation is Confirmation Bias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


The times that people have been irritated and told you so are the times that stick in your head. If you talk for 15 minutes about all the different seafood you like and somebody finally says, "STOP TALKING ABOUT DISGUSTING SEAFOOD! I HATE IT" that will stick in your head. All the times when somebody just nodded their head in agreement or said they like seafood too will be less memorable and so don't get counted in this personal data set.

Same with the follwing around.



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26 Jul 2011, 8:49 am

There is no such thing as psychic ability - it's all merely obsessive self-delusion and wishful thinking.



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26 Jul 2011, 3:00 pm

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There is no such thing as psychic ability - it's all merely obsessive self-delusion and wishful thinking.


When you don't experience it, that is easy to say. It's something that once it happens repeatedly to the point to where you can't ignore it with the outcomes coming out true it's no longer a coincidence. It's not about mind reading on the spot for me anyway. Answering questions. It comes and goes as it pleases. I can't force it.

That said, it's both a gift and a curse.



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26 Jul 2011, 3:36 pm

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There is no such thing as psychic ability - it's all merely obsessive self-delusion and wishful thinking.


Psychic ability is simply ability above what we understand as our normal senses. While I think we can agree that there is no definitive scientific evidence of what is understood as psychic ability, so far. There is at least, as presented here, in the linked research, evidence that suggests abilities above and beyond what are considered normal cognitive and sensory abilities.

Some in the scientific community don't like the idea that it is being studied seriously and are arguing that the results are a fluke; in that one could expect 1 out of 10 experiments to be a statistical fluke so the other 8 experiments that lent postive results, could statistically, also be flukes; they are tortuturing the statistics in suggesting all the experiments might be flukes.

If future studies easily replicate the results, there will be strong evidence that there is phenomenon going on with these type of experiments, above and beyond what we understand as our known cognitive and sensory abilities.

So, while I respect your opinion that there is no such thing as psychic ability, the scientific community continues to explore the real potential that it does exist.

Obsessive self delusion and wishful thinking is part of what has been called psychic phenomenon, but that same behavior is applicable to almost all other areas of the human experience, other than what is observed as psi phenomenon.

If the science for what researchers have been able to observe and measure with Psi phenomenon proves itself reliable in the coming years, you may still not accept it as what seems to be your requirement of evidence for psi phenomenon; guessing what's in the box. That one example though, is one tiny example of the full range of what is understood as psychic phenomenon.

We still don't fully understand how some humans can store all the memories of their life, as a searchable visual index in their conscious minds, or how Autistic savants can replicate any piece of music, or multiply 6 digit numbers in their head. The examples of abilities of humans well above what we consider as normal, are too numerous to list here.

It would be a little silly, I think, for us to completely discount other phenomenon above what is considered normal cognitive and sensory abilities, called Psi phenomenon. Not all people can multiply 6 digit numbers in their head; there is no reason to believe that all people would have the same abilities to observe what is understood as psi ability, anymore than the other unusual abilities that are seen among members of the human race.

Not all people with aspergers are strictly logical. Schizotypal personality traits have been shown in research to overlap diagnoses of Aspergers, but it is just a correlation and not related to all people with Aspergers. Some are more likely to be able to think or sense outside of the box than others. For those with extra sensitive sensory abilities; a community of people diagnosed with Aspergers would be a good place to study extra sensory abilities.

Some people (I'm not talking to you here) seem to be afraid of psychic phenomenon because it questions their paradigm of reality. Autistic people encounter some of the same reactions in others, because their behavior at times, questions the paradigm of other people's realities.

I see healthy skepticism as a good thing, but don't think we should close the door tight, when it is reasonable to keep it open to explore additional rooms of the human experience.

Confirmation bias can apply to the idea there is no psi phenomenon as it can also apply to the idea that some cases of it do exist. After 130 years of scientific tests indicating no significant evidence that psi phenomenon exists, some are having trouble with a test now, that suggests something related to it might exist. Apparently, it's created a bit of cognitive dissonance within the psychological community.

People don't like their commonly held assumptions tested, Galileo paid a price for it with the Catholic Church; fortunately now at least in countries such as ours, most of the time, we get to test assumptions no matter how close people hold them to their heart.

The modern exception that comes to mind is the war in Iraq; people as a whole can come together to make illogical decisions, if enough emotion is involved. I was fooled to at first, caught up in the emotion, sorting out the facts later, then thinking wait a minute this doesn't make sense, there must be some hidden agenda here.



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26 Jul 2011, 7:59 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I'll give you an example from real life; button pushing. I know exactly what to say to people to get reactions and rub them the wrong way. It's like I know it before I know anything about them. Let's say someone doesn't like seafood. I will go on and on about how much I like it before finding out they hate it. This often happens. People wonder how I know what to say to irritate them.

Some might chalk it up to coincidence but it happens too much to just be that.

Seriously, I have been accused of following people around when that is absolutely the last thing I would do just because I know stuff about their day without them telling.

I even got a phone psychic job because of it. So, you can believe what you want and I will choose what I believe.

I know what I have experienced and I seek out scientific explanations.


The scientific explanation is Confirmation Bias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


The times that people have been irritated and told you so are the times that stick in your head. If you talk for 15 minutes about all the different seafood you like and somebody finally says, "STOP TALKING ABOUT DISGUSTING SEAFOOD! I HATE IT" that will stick in your head. All the times when somebody just nodded their head in agreement or said they like seafood too will be less memorable and so don't get counted in this personal data set.

Same with the follwing around.

Probability states the odds of it frequently happening wouldn't be high. With me, they are. This is the difference between me and others. People I have known do not say these things to every person they know. But, they say them to me. I rub too many people the wrong way. I know it's difficult to fathom because you don't know me in person. If you knew me in real life, you would think it spooky.



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26 Jul 2011, 8:24 pm

I used to dream about places I was going to visit, often with details that I recognized when I arrived. Now it's more of a party trick but I do try and clear the noise when making predictions. When I'm confronted with a bank of elevators, I attempt to silence my mind and just walk to the elevator that's going to open. It's fairly accurate, unless I try and "second guess" the correct result, then the prediction becomes muffled in the denial. It works pretty good at the roulette table also, but greed usually enters and interferes with proper predictions. Meditation helps, but only lasts a few minutes before my head becomes cluttered with second guesses.

It's that gut instinct, the feeling you can't define that usually turns out right.

On a side note, I can feel the magnetic repulsion in between my hands when I hold them parallel. Friend of mine once said I was playing with my Chi-Ball. Interesting fella.



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26 Jul 2011, 8:51 pm

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I used to dream about places I was going to visit, often with details that I recognized when I arrived. Now it's more of a party trick but I do try and clear the noise when making predictions. When I'm confronted with a bank of elevators, I attempt to silence my mind and just walk to the elevator that's going to open. It's fairly accurate, unless I try and "second guess" the correct result, then the prediction becomes muffled in the denial. It works pretty good at the roulette table also, but greed usually enters and interferes with proper predictions. Meditation helps, but only lasts a few minutes before my head becomes cluttered with second guesses.

It's that gut instinct, the feeling you can't define that usually turns out right.

On a side note, I can feel the magnetic repulsion in between my hands when I hold them parallel. Friend of mine once said I was playing with my Chi-Ball. Interesting fella.


That's interesting, I have extreme tactile senstivity, and have always been able to actually feel the moving sensation of what seems like a three dimensional virtual object in only my left hand. I can will it to come and go away, change the shape and texture, movement, speed of movement, the pressure of it on my hand and slightly above my finger tips, and direction it moves within the space of my hand.

As I remember one other person mentioned they experienced this on the forum, I think it was Ediself, if I remember correctly. Your description here is the closest I have seen other than Ediself's description; although I only experience it my left hand. I've never heard of Chi Ball before, I'll have to google that, but that is what it's like a ball of energy that changes shape and texture.

I'm guessing it has something to do with extra sensitive nerves. I can't stand to touch anything manmade that has texture. My understanding though, is that part is common among those with Autism.



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26 Jul 2011, 8:59 pm

The chi-ball is a nondescript. Heh. He was referring to my life energy as the Chinese would see it, my Chi as it were. But yeah I can literally feel the electromagnetic energy in my hands when I move them in parallel.



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26 Jul 2011, 9:52 pm

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The chi-ball is a nondescript. Heh. He was referring to my life energy as the Chinese would see it, my Chi as it were. But yeah I can literally feel the electromagnetic energy in my hands when I move them in parallel.


Can't say that I have felt that. However, my wife has stated that she can feel a sensation of me touching her leg when I am three or four inches away from it. I just recently learned that people that have over sensitive mirror neurons sometimes feel touch when they see other people touched, so I guess that could have something to do with it. Although, I also felt a sensation of energy outside my hands too.

Interesting, all the physical factors that might come together to influence something like this, that we didn't understand before research provided some insight into them.



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26 Jul 2011, 10:36 pm

The 'Paranormal' and psychic was one of my special interests, and I was involved in it for some years.
I have had a lot of experiences, that drove me quite mad as after having a certain number, it becomes impossible to explain them logically, and I liked to have all the answers and facts.
The most recent experience was that 4 years ago I had a few realistic dreams, in local settings, involving someone I liked but who I had not even spoken to. About 4 months ago, those actually came to happen, just as in the dreams, right down to where we were sitting and the locations. That is the only time that has happened to me, actually.

As a child, and into adulthood, I have dreamt of murders and suicides also, though of course, those could be put down to imagination.
I always wake up feeling really unpleasant and not quite as I should be. Those dreams included street names and the like.

I have also had experiences of lucid dreaming, and of seeing an apparition, which happened at the same time as the person with me saw the same thing. I don't really involve myself in it anymore, but it is always there, I cannot avoid it as things like synchronicities just happen to me. Like with my bf, the person of those dreams, I will be walking out my door just as he is arriving to ring the bell...usually when I am trying to run away and avoid seeing anyone actually :lol: I also find that whenever I look at the time, it is 3:33, 11:11, 11:33, things like that, which I just laugh about now.

I tend not to really discuss my experiences as I lost interest in most of it, and I have lost most of my belief in it anyway.


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26 Jul 2011, 10:45 pm

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me "What's in the Box?"

After 20+ years of asking, I think at least one person should have come up with the correct answer, if only by chance.

No one has even come close.



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26 Jul 2011, 10:58 pm

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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me "What's in the Box?"

After 20+ years of asking, I think at least one person should have come up with the correct answer, if only by chance.

No one has even come close.

Most people haven't tried, Fnord. They cannot relate to this type of experience. It would be fun to partcipate in a morphic resonance experiment to see if I get a picture of what's inside something else after hundreds of people have seen it and are thinking about it in unison.

Doctors believe people heal faster when many people pray for them. I think I read about a prayer study. Maybe this falls within the realm of morphic resonance too?



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27 Jul 2011, 1:02 am

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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me "What's in the Box?"

After 20+ years of asking, I think at least one person should have come up with the correct answer, if only by chance.

No one has even come close.


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