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28 Sep 2011, 12:48 am

What i mean is that animals at least have no logic and do it to survive,for food,like lions with zebras and all that.But humans?It is the fallen human nature,they become worse than animals,since animals at least follow instinct and don't know any better while bullies are making for the fun of it,and to be fair i don't really think they are really happy,i could philosophically analyze it but this is another matter.
Also just because a bully may feel good by doing it does not mean that it is good or logical.



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28 Sep 2011, 4:33 am

Before I had developed technology and weapons,
bullies got me in trouble because in the real worls
I cannot control my reactions, and often ended up
being violent.

1. I screamed. Very Very loud. Screams echo
in hallways, I did not get my lunch money taken
but I sure got attention that I wanted. I sounded
an alarm. My Scream. I just could not stay out
of trouble, finally I was put into special ed, and
JAMBO!! No more terrorists. Only kind gentle
kids. And I began to understand alot of the
school work better, so I got b abd c instead of
d and f.

2. Biting and throwing things.
I bit the bullies, and threw things and screamed.
got in trubble, but, what else cood I do?

3. Taser
I could have been the inventor of the taser,
but I wasn't. This weapon that I made out
of ignition coils, a 20Hz oscillator and
an old cattle probe stopped a bully from
harming me because I cood not control
my mnouthing back at him becuzz of
something he said. When he put me aginst
the lockers, I pulled the probe out and pressed
the button, and applied the probe to the nerve
cluster above the stomach, he stiffeneeded
up like a board, I held the probe to him with
dark pleasure at watching his face turn
purple, even though a foul smell started
to come out of him, then he fell to the floor
sideways, and I kicked him in the back and
ran away.

Now my weapons and security systems
are the most advanced they have ever
been in 25 years, I can sense a terrorist
from miles away, through the use of surveillance
monitors. I can activate traps and put a
terrorist out of commission before he/she
ever gets to my froont dore.

I have not been terrorised in 25 years.

Abnd counting


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28 Sep 2011, 4:59 am

twich wrote:
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JohnyJohn wrote:
...it is even lower than animalistic,illogical,and in general bad.


I dont agree with this, because...

It can be specified exactly! It is.....ANIMALISTIC......ta-daaaa!! !

It is not illogical. Just look at other animals. They also compare the biggest ****. It is a lower form of communication than what human being is capable of.

I agreee that it is in general bad, because it serves no else good but feeding the ego of the bully (if that can be classified as good is even questionable), while it does harm to others.


No, bullying is not animalistic- Animals don't "Bully" others, and bullies don't get to be actual alpha males/ females for the greater good of the pack, which is why there are alpha leaders in other animals. They don't terrorize or abuse their pack members mentally or physically because they can, and they get the respect they properly earn. It also ensures the order needed to survive. To compare bullying to a pack mentality is ridiculous at best.


:?: Hehe animals dont bully?

Oh yes they do.



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28 Sep 2011, 5:29 am

There are so many different forms of bullying. Bullying does not only mean a big, tough-looking person throwing a big fist in front of your face asking you for your money, with a group of about 6 smaller people standing behind him or her. It's easy to imagine this as bullying, and it is a form of bullying, but there are so many other forms.

There are some people who I don't get along with, or not understand, or not have the same interests as, or not like the individial, or just struggle to be on their wavelength, but I just shrug and still try to get along with them without causing any hurt feelings, even though I'm sure I don't like them. We're all entitled to dislike people, we can't all like everyone, but some people just can't keep that to themselves, and so decide to let them know that they're disliked, and think that's it's all right to hurt their feelings by teasing, tormenting, commenting, singling out, picking on, glaring at, not ever speaking to, and the list goes on, and it can all categorize under a form of bullying.

I can't quite imagine what bullying in the workplace is like. I've heard of people giving a new person all the grotty jobs, not letting them go for lunch, making them stay behind, yelling at them over nothing, being incredibly sarcastic, and so on. That can be bullying, and there is no need for any of this. It's much easier to all muck in and just work and get the job done, and all have a nice laugh together and make eachother know they are part of a crowd. A lot of workplaces are generally like that, but there are some workplaces with a group of people what seem to want to make life hell for some of the workers, and it's really not on at all.

Sometimes this type of thing can arise without anybody intentionally meaning it, like if there was a lot of work to do and everyone was rushing around and there's no staff because a lot seem to be on holiday and there's just so much paperwork and it's just one of those bad weeks, and there was a lot of bickering because of it....sometimes situations like that can just happen, and it's easy to take it to heart but if everybody's just getting stressed out with eachother and there's a lot of work that is not going to be finished by the deadline, you have to just bite your tongue and hope that everybody will calm down soon. But it's when people intentionally bully from laziness, selfishness, bitchyness, jealousy, etc. It's not good.


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28 Sep 2011, 6:01 am

Joe90 wrote:
we can't all like everyone, but some people just can't keep that to themselves, and so decide to let them know that they're disliked, and think that's it's all right to hurt their feelings...

But it's when people intentionally bully from laziness, selfishness, bitchyness, jealousy, etc. It's not good.


You forgot to mention those who bully out of seemingly nothing. But it is not nothing. It is the same thing that happens if you play with a cat and you play the mouse with some item, but you play the mouse so that it looks like it tries to escape out of the danger zone (it looks like it is afraid). Even a lazy cat reacts to that and starts chasing it. Same thing with people. Some people get in "chasing mode" when they see people that emit inferiority or fear, the same way as the cat in the above describtion.

By observing things like these you can see that most people are controlled by the surroundings/lack individual control. In this I sometimes interfere and defuse situations.



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28 Sep 2011, 7:38 am

To all those who you have been bullied:Do you think it was unfair that you were bullied or it was a fair thing to be bullied?



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28 Sep 2011, 9:38 am

It is unfair being punished by instinct-driven people that dont know what they are doing, and who therefore cant understand how it is to know what they are doing, and therefore cant understand that I couldnt hate them for it. It is like being attacked by your own children. Not because I felt responsible for raising them or anything, but because I understood them from an angle they where blind to.

The part which is most unfair is by my opinion the fact that I cant be understood, the bullies only see their version. This means that I have to speak their language, while nobody can speak mine. So Im alone.

The thing that also makes it unfair is that if I just stand somewhere I have to collect much strenght to tolerate how I affect my surroundings just by standing there, while other people dont notice it that much. That means I get very affected myself by everything around me and am at the same time aware of the affection, and therefore a bully can do a lot of damage. Well it varies, but I can be extremely aware of everything, and what I feel is responsibility.

I was never the main victim for bullies over a long period, but I have experienced it and dealth with it alot. At school I took care of the bullied people and often mixed in when others were bullied, but I was also friends with everybody, across groups (including bullies).

When I was bullied it was only unfair.



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28 Sep 2011, 10:31 am

So is everybody getting bullied(i mean NT's)?



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28 Sep 2011, 11:05 am

Lets take this again:

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I wouldn't say it is "good" but it does serve a purpose.

Bullies are people who rule by threat of force. A young kid confronted with a bully has the opportunity to learn how to deal with it.

It establishes a social order.

Most cower before a bully, and such wind up always doing so when confronted by someone stronger.

Some learn to stand up for themselves, fail or succeed. The bully learns they can't push that person around, and such grow up to believe in themselves.


This can be how NTs experience it. It doesnt work for me. Bullying didnt teach me anything else but cause-effect -> why people behave. I "believe in myself" because I agree with myself in what I do and bullying doesnt fit to that agreement. I believe in myself independently of other people. While NTs maybe fit the above sheme, it doesnt apply to me.



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28 Sep 2011, 11:33 am

Ok,see this.And answer me.Some people here hate AS.They say why would you want to have this thing which people will ostracize you,bully you,treat you differently.That is like saying that bullies are doing good when they bully and the disabled people must and deserved to be bullied.There is not any difference.Not only that but disabled people have no right to life.So if someone is normal and is a friend of you and you get well and love him then you should kill him if he has an accident and gets a disability because he won't be normal.Do you agree?



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28 Sep 2011, 11:53 am

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I think all bullies are cowards. They will pick on people in groups and they will pick on someone who is vulnerable and won't fend for themselves or can't fend for themselves. They will pick on someone who can fend for themselves but suck at it because they be the ones who get into trouble, not the bullies. Sometimes one bully can pick on a person but he or she does it when the victim is defenseless.


This is not cowardice; this is good tactics.


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I have never seen a bully on TV or in movies or heard in real life or seen in real life that they have picked on someone who is bigger and stronger than them and can fend for themselves.


It happens all the time, so long as the bullies are in packs or have sufficient social support. Many bullies delight in picking on a big, strong kid who they know can't fight back without getting into trouble themselves.



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28 Sep 2011, 12:00 pm

I wasn't bullied in school, but I wasn't sure about year 11 (the last year of school). This foreign girl had joined my class in year 9, and I was the first one to make friends with her and make her feel welcome. Nobody else really did. We became good friends, and for the first time in my school life, I had a good friend to hang out with and to do things with outside of school. But throughout the whole of year 11, she got with some other girls (who I already knew a little bit), and she started to exclude me from the group, using me to run back to if she fell out with her ''new best friend'', or if her ''new best friend'' was absent or something. But as the year went on the foreign girl began saying, ''you're weird!'' to my face, and kept on trying to turn all the other girls against me (it half worked), and she really just wanted to see me on my own - even a teacher admitted that. And each time I was on my own, and she was nearby hanging in a group of girls, she would look at me and gloat (the other girls didn't notice), and she would just act like a dick to me. And she ended up being one of those people who everybody sucked up to, whether they knew she was nasty to me or not. She just socially took over in the end, and I hate people like that.

This may not be severe bullying, but it is a form of bullying I think. But, I suppose, being an Aspie, I've got to kind of expect that sort of s**t to happen in my life.


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28 Sep 2011, 12:08 pm

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Bullying is nasty. People that bully have no thought on how the other person is feeling (and NTs are said to be able to have empathy and sympathy over how somebody is feeling??????????)


This is a dangerous misconception about bullying.

Many bullies are very good at knowing how their victims are feeling - that's the point.

There are many, many different reasons to bully - and many behaviors that get called bullying, but probably aren't.

Some people simply want something, and know they can intimidate competitors in order to get it. That isn't bullying, really; it's a dominance display, and has been going on since well before mother nature invented the spinal column - you can witness this behavior in mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibhibians, fish, crustaceans, arachnids, insects, cephalopods... just turn on Animal Planet sometime.

Some people see behavior that is not in accordance with their pack-instinct, and use force and intimidation to punish and ostracize the outlier, in the hopes of forcing them to conform to the pack, or drive them out of the pack altogether. This is extremely common behavior in most pack species. Apes do it. Hell, chickens do it. It helps maintain the genetic health of the pack by destroying deviants before they can breed.

Some people see weakness and emotional vulnerability, and simply want to experience power. This is much more of a primate thing than the first two - you really only see it in highly complex social structures, like chimpanzees and humans. This kind of bullying is the least ambiguous; this is the most clearly "bullying for bullying's sake". Most often, the bully doesn't really have "low self esteem" or "poor self-image" or a lot of other mythical problems that we assign them; most often, the bully is someone in-training to become a group alpha, who needs someone to practice on while playing the dominance game. The human mind is wired, in part, to enjoy dominating and humiliating others. Like most "wiring", some people have it more than others. Those who have it most must seek out the emotionally vulnerable to dominate and humiliate in order to get their dominance 'fix'. Many such people become violent criminals, but many more become extremely successful businessmen, politicians, police officers, and the like.



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28 Sep 2011, 12:44 pm

JohnyJohn wrote:
Ok,see this.And answer me.Some people here hate AS.They say why would you want to have this thing which people will ostracize you,bully you,treat you differently.That is like saying that bullies are doing good when they bully and the disabled people must and deserved to be bullied.There is not any difference.Not only that but disabled people have no right to life.So if someone is normal and is a friend of you and you get well and love him then you should kill him if he has an accident and gets a disability because he won't be normal.Do you agree?


What?

Ok I answer you... woof woof.

"people will ostracize you,bully you,treat you differently". This is not true. It is relative how people WILL treat you.

But I understand your attack. Here is my big reaction to it: :P

By the way, I dont see myself as disabled, but the opposite. I have the whole spectrum of emotions. Im also highly affected by people and their views, but when it comes down... Im just more independent, because I know where we are separated and what I need to do to get up.

We are our surroundings.

So if you talk disabled > which disability do you suggest? The once I have heard of until now dont apply.

I think we need each other.

PS: what you ask me to agree about doesnt apply to the views of NTs I have met. So if you see it that way... well then I can tell you that there are plenty of nazi-communities who probably would welcome you in their groups. Then you could go for a 3rd world war and "clean" humanity to fit your opinions. Not without resistance though! :wink:



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28 Sep 2011, 12:48 pm

A third world war will happen(*),it is in the prophecies.Second,what is right and what is wrong?Third:Do you think disabled people(any-deaf,blind,ret*d,autistic,crippled...)have the right to life/live?

*the antichrist will come,then there will be fights,wars and all that and the antichrist will try to eliminate the faithful.Then Jesus Christ will come(second coming)and the judgment will start.



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28 Sep 2011, 1:08 pm

JohnyJohn wrote:
A third world war will happen(*),it is in the prophecies.Second,what is right and what is wrong?Third:Do you think disabled people(any-deaf,blind,ret*d,autistic,crippled...)have the right to life/live?

*the antichrist will come,then there will be fights,wars and all that and the antichrist will try to eliminate the faithful.Then Jesus Christ will come(second coming)and the judgment will start.


My rules are right and yours are wrong. :P To be serious: its relative.

Of course not, everybody should die :roll: Who desides the rights of living?

Your so cute I could put you in a little box and feed you every day with a piece of the special ego-cake that I have for you.