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05 Oct 2011, 8:01 pm

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This is all a joke, right? Obvious troll is obvious?


Huh? What troll? Here or there? Huh? I don't think anything there or here is a joke.



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05 Oct 2011, 8:03 pm

One NTW posted that the perfect marriage partner for ASH is a robot.

Well, Hari Seldon married a robot in Asimov's "Foundation" series.



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05 Oct 2011, 8:51 pm

Yikes, must stop reading that forum. It's hard to believe that it's real.



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05 Oct 2011, 9:49 pm

Gawd help me, just saw a thread on that forum "AS = Dementor from Harry Potter"



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05 Oct 2011, 10:24 pm

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I just discovered that my husband doesn't get a lot of jokes. Common ones like when someone says "see ya" and someone else answers "not if I see you first". He never got that the "not if I see you first" response was a sort of half insult half joking comment, that it was half rude in nature but funny. Meaning the person would duck into an alley if they saw you before you saw them...lol. I asked him recently if he understood what the response meant and he said, "no, not really"...and he didn't.


OMG! I learned something from AS Partners! I didn't know this is what "not if I see you first" meant! I thought it just meant Person A seeing Person B before Person B seeing Person A, like if they were both in the parking lot at the same time.

I find that NT jokes are mostly unfunny.



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05 Oct 2011, 10:51 pm

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I saw one complain because their ASH did something thoughtful for them that they don't normally think of. It made them mad and made them think that means they have been "faking" all along. You can't win no matter what you do.


Oh, that's MADDENING. :x :evil: :x What planet do these b*****s come from???

~Kate


What did you think of the stuff I wrote on this first initial post on here? Do you agree with all, some or none? What would you like from your husband?


OH CRAP! I actually followed your link and read some of what was written there!! ! :x 8O :evil: OMG I can't believe these people are for real! "wired against knowing how to truly love and care for someone"????? AARRRGH! I have been accused of that and I hate it!

As far as what you posted, I definitely relate to not being able to coordinate with someone. I don't know what he wants some of the time and even when I do, sometimes I can't do it. What I would like is for the constant expectation that I be "more NT" to go away. It stresses me. When I say that I get accused of "making excuses" and "not trying". And the people on that forum make my husband look SUPER understanding!

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05 Oct 2011, 11:24 pm

Alright, now this really pissed me the hell off...
"I know this will sound silly, but I feel that he 'targeted' me as I was easy-going and the sort of person who likes to help people and he probably felt I could 'care' for him.

It feels so good to be able to 'talk' to others who 'get' it as I wont feel so mad now."

Yeah f*****g right, he targeted you... Cuz that's exactly what we do, we just sit back and go "THERE! SHE'LL take care of me for sure!" God, what a b***h. The reality is probably that she tried her ass off to get him.



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05 Oct 2011, 11:52 pm

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I just discovered that my husband doesn't get a lot of jokes. Common ones like when someone says "see ya" and someone else answers "not if I see you first". He never got that the "not if I see you first" response was a sort of half insult half joking comment, that it was half rude in nature but funny. Meaning the person would duck into an alley if they saw you before you saw them...lol. I asked him recently if he understood what the response meant and he said, "no, not really"...and he didn't.


OMG! I learned something from AS Partners! I didn't know this is what "not if I see you first" meant! I thought it just meant Person A seeing Person B before Person B seeing Person A, like if they were both in the parking lot at the same time.

I find that NT jokes are mostly unfunny.




I thought the same. I didn't know it was an insult like that.



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05 Oct 2011, 11:53 pm

Before reading AS Partners, I didn't know that one group of people COULD think so nastily about another group of people. For example, if I have had a particularly bad experience with an NT one day, and I b***h about it, the most I will say is something like, "NTs are so emo" or "NTs are so boring" or "NTs are so sick". I won't be making all these complex crazy rigmaroles like these NTW make about their ASH, like all the behaviors of their ASH are meant to manipulate them in some extremely convoluted way and their ASH are doing everything with some devious insane scheme in mind and this is how the defunct AS mind operates by default. It's like an exposing of the two neurologies right there on that forum. One has some simple straightforward negative thoughts about the other, and the other big bangs out entire universes, with all the complexities therein, of NASTY about the other.



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06 Oct 2011, 12:48 am

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Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't need validation? I think it would be cool if human beings just knew what they knew and felt what they felt and that was that. It bugs me that I need someone to validate my feelings and perceptions. It especially bugs me because I so rarely receive it.

I understand that human beings are wired to want validation, but I would prefer if I was wired to not need someone else to understand me. Why couldn't my own belief in myself be enough? I wonder if it's possible to get to the point where you DO totally accept, validate and empathize with yourself to the point where it's not necessary, (but still would be nice), to receive it from someone else.

Do you think that's possible?


Ummm, this NTW wants to be autistic? I would not say that I desire zero validation from others, but compared to NTs, my desire in this area is very very very low, so I am probably like what this NTW is describing, and yet, she wants to be this way, the way her ASH might be, and yet, she doesn't realize that her ASH is this way, the way she wants to be, because she is with him, who acts like someone who is this way, not validating her, who requires validation, because he requires much less validation than she does, and so, she can't stand the mismatch between her desire to be validated and the lack of validation she receives, so she wishes that she required much less validation, which would be the case, if she were autistic.

When I was a kid, before I knew that people were people, I required no external validation at all, and that was actually very nice.



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06 Oct 2011, 12:59 am

I didn't get this:

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And sometimes you just have to laugh...

I recently complained (er, pointed out) to my ASH that in 30 years he had never complimented me. I know he thinks I am smart, funny, hard-working, etc. but he has never said so. Anyway, after a few hours, he burst into the room and said,"You said you wanted me to compliment you, so here goes: I think your hair is really pretty!"

First I laughed out loud, then explained the concept of the "whammy phrase" (in this case "you said you wanted... so here goes") that essentially negates everything that comes after it...

Julie


What was wrong with his compliment? He gave her one like she wanted and she laughs about it. Oh well at least she wasn't hurt by it nor offended.

God some posts on there are so confusing and here is another that annoyed me:



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I had to email a few photos to H's sister because he didn't want to have to attach a note. As I was typing the note, he stood behind me "watching". Apparently I forgot a word in a sentence so here's how this goes:

H: what does that mean? better us? (clearly I had forgotten the word "for")

me: no response

H: says the same thing 2 or 3 more times (now laughing)

me: I hear you (angry)

H: why are you getting mad - you're the one who made the mistake.

me: because you are talking to me like that. Why can't you just say I forgot a word instead of backing me into a corner and making me feel like an idiot because I forgot a word.

H: let's move on, I have to do .... (like he is doing me a favor)

me: I'm writing this to YOUR sister, for YOU. YOU are not doing me a favor, I am doing you a favor. Ughh!

H: no response.

This is something I was never able to descibe when we were in therapy either. So many things.

Thanks for listening. It is so hard and frustrating to live like this. It is really a blessing to have this forum to vent. Thanks again.


Why didn't she just answer the fricken question and besides I don't think he knew she was missing a word. I wouldn't have known either if she didn't say she indicated she missed a word. But maybe if I saw what she had written, maybe I would have figured it out. Or maybe he was just trying to point out to her she missed a word by asking her what that means. He did laugh so maybe he did know she missed a word and also the fact he said she made the mistake. But what annoyed me the most was her ignoring him. How hard is it to just answer? Seesh.


Also that Spotting an Aspi in the Wild thread is hilarious.



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I found that in order to detect an Aspie you need to do something outrageous when first meeting one. They have read all the books on being normal: what to say, what wear, how to act and even how to cover up the aspiness, but if you suddenly jump up and say, "My mother is expecting me to pick her up at the mental hospital!" See how they react, if they laugh, they're normal, if not they're aspie. Normal people know you're pulling their leg. Anyway, you get the point. Be outrageous and unpredictable.



This one was just dumb. I can just imagine an NT going "what?" and I am willing to try that on someone just to see how they react. I did laugh at that sentence but not because I thought it was a joke, just because a laugh came out of my mouth so my husband often thinks I knew he was kidding or found something funny. I mean I would probably say in real life "what?" because it was so abrupt and so confusing but maybe laugh too. But if a "normal" person would really laugh at this, then I guess I have appropriate responses to some things even though they don't match my thinking.



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06 Oct 2011, 3:23 am

NTW wrote:
I just discovered that my husband doesn't get a lot of jokes. Common ones like when someone says "see ya" and someone else answers "not if I see you first". He never got that the "not if I see you first" response was a sort of half insult half joking comment, that it was half rude in nature but funny. Meaning the person would duck into an alley if they saw you before you saw them...lol. I asked him recently if he understood what the response meant and he said, "no, not really"...and he didn't.


I didn't understand that and never realized that I didn't understand that. It really means that?



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06 Oct 2011, 3:29 am

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I found that in order to detect an Aspie you need to do something outrageous when first meeting one. They have read all the books on being normal: what to say, what wear, how to act and even how to cover up the aspiness, but if you suddenly jump up and say, "My mother is expecting me to pick her up at the mental hospital!" See how they react, if they laugh, they're normal, if not they're aspie. Normal people know you're pulling their leg. Anyway, you get the point. Be outrageous and unpredictable.


I find that offensive. Why would you laugh if someone says their mother has a mental illness? I guess that just shows that NT people think mentally ill people are funny and want to make fun of them (at least this one does). How do they know you are "pulling their leg"? There are people that have mothers in mental hospitals.

Read all the books on being "normal"? I don't know how to act normal like they seem to think all Asperger's people do and I'd probably have nothing to say in response to that. If I knew them well enough I might ask what she has.

From some of the posts there you would think they were the crazy ones with all the delusions and paranoia they have about their spouse and their intentions and the way they act. They seem to think it's all malicious and planned and done on purpose. If they could easily help it and just act normal all the time then they probably don't have AS.



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06 Oct 2011, 4:12 am

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I found that in order to detect an Aspie you need to do something outrageous when first meeting one. They have read all the books on being normal: what to say, what wear, how to act and even how to cover up the aspiness, but if you suddenly jump up and say, "My mother is expecting me to pick her up at the mental hospital!" See how they react, if they laugh, they're normal, if not they're aspie. Normal people know you're pulling their leg. Anyway, you get the point. Be outrageous and unpredictable.


I find that offensive. Why would you laugh if someone says their mother has a mental illness? I guess that just shows that NT people think mentally ill people are funny and want to make fun of them (at least this one does). How do they know you are "pulling their leg"? There are people that have mothers in mental hospitals.

Read all the books on being "normal"? I don't know how to act normal like they seem to think all Asperger's people do and I'd probably have nothing to say in response to that. If I knew them well enough I might ask what she has.

From some of the posts there you would think they were the crazy ones with all the delusions and paranoia they have about their spouse and their intentions and the way they act. They seem to think it's all malicious and planned and done on purpose. If they could easily help it and just act normal all the time then they probably don't have AS.



Sometimes people laugh for no reason. it doesn't mean they are laughing at you or about something you told them. Sometimes it just happens and you found no humor in it but a laugh came out of you anyway. That is what happens to me anyway and people act like I do it on purpose. :?



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06 Oct 2011, 5:44 am

NTW wrote:
I just discovered that my husband doesn't get a lot of jokes. Common ones like when someone says "see ya" and someone else answers "not if I see you first". He never got that the "not if I see you first" response was a sort of half insult half joking comment, that it was half rude in nature but funny. Meaning the person would duck into an alley if they saw you before you saw them...lol. I asked him recently if he understood what the response meant and he said, "no, not really"...and he didn't.


I didn't know that either. I mean, that is a dumb joke.

That site is horrible. Makes me wonder what my husband thinks of me. I know I am a pain, but so is my husband so it equals out right?



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06 Oct 2011, 6:47 am

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Gawd help me, just saw a thread on that forum "AS = Dementor from Harry Potter"


You keep referencing these absurdities but the search function turns none of them up. :(