What rules do nts use about speed limits?

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As a rule 10 over is generally overlooked. 15 over will land you a ticket. On the highway keeping up with your lane speed is expected. In illinois, on the toll road, eveyone goes 80 in the inside lane, though it's 55mph posted. Rarely do I see cars pulled over. I seems the State wants the heavy Tri-State traffic moving.

55 - 59 miles per hour in the slow lane is acceptable. Crawl past them & realise the speed your doing, as long as you do not do it near a off ramp. Not everyone pays attention to the speed they doing ALWAYS, they realise it & enter the middle lane. Then indicate into the middle lane ONLY if it is safe to do so. Then put your foot down. Don't go from fast lane, across to slow lane & do 70mph. Same with going from fast lane & taking the off ramp at the last possible second.



No that makes the person who is driving in the middle lane dangerous for not indicating & checking mirrors & blind spots. You assume people want to drive into someone. Only people who don't signal & check before changing lanes do that.

If you do that, you failed to indicate, check mirror & check your blind spot. To ASSUME that the people to the left of you, are going slower than you, is false assuming that causes accidents.



You missed out turn your indicators on. I assume you are doing that. BECAUSE someone who is in the slow lane & indicates into the middle lane & you in the fast lane don't bother using indicates & checking mirror & blind spots. Is just like been in the fast lane & not bothering to check if a car is next to you or using indicators & turning into it.

I see a lot of people not bothering to use indicators.

& I don't mean blasting past them 70mph when your in the fast lane, I mean in the slow lane, if the fast lane is blocked by someone & it is the start of a traffic problem. When people start convoying that is when it turns into a traffic problem. People are on automatic pilot sometimes, understand automatic?

Edit:- If you keep it clear. That lets a traffic cop or undercover cop come up behind them & turn they lights on. Then pulling the person over who is hogging the fast lane & dealing with them.

Last edited by TechnoDog on 10 Apr 2012, 10:28 pm, edited 2 times in total.

I got burned once on that though. The traffic was going around 70 in the far left lane and I wanted to get back to the right after passing a bunch of slower traffic. I had a guy driving right up my rear and then the lane to my right suddenly going 70 as well. So I sped up to 75 in an attempt to merge back right and a cop comes over from a different lane and pulls me over. I don't know if he didn't like the way I changed lanes or what (he only said I was speeding, 75 in a 55). I was far from the fastest vehicle on the road and thought I was safe. That was in Maryland though.

How did you respond from been pulled over, as that’s when my mothers boyfriend got a ticket. He was only going to give him a warning. Seems like they use the same thing they use in airports, odd behaviour or a hunch about a vhc & gives them a excuse to search it kind of thing?

Or maybe he was just picking a random person, to fill his ticket amount for the day. Do you have that, sure I saw a USA one with that.

I was informed that the state troopers were often out in vaguely marked vehicles picking off random people in that area. They can't do normal sitting speed traps in heavy traffic like that so they sneak up on people instead. There was even a hilarious story in the news where a state trooper pulled over a county cop car for speeding in the inner lane. All the cop cars go at least 80 mph when they can, flashers on or not. The area is accident prone because if you're not paying attention backups happen really suddenly. I suppose that's their excuse for doing it. It doesn't seem fair when you just get unlucky, but there was really no arguing that I wasn't speeding.

You're talking round in circles now.

The reason undertaking is dangerous is because NORMAL TRAFFIC CONDITIONS DICTATE that changing lanes to the left shouldn't put you at risk from other drivers going as fast or faster than you on the inside. It doesn't matter whether you use your mirrors, indicators and check your blind spot, and so do they, because you can both do so AT EXACTLY THE SAME TIME, and possibly with the view still partly obscured by the middle lane hog you've both just passed. And at that point there's a fair chance of driving into the side of each other. Understand "odds"?

You've quoted a detailed explanation of the law yourself, that explains very clearly that under normal road conditions undertaking is unacceptable and illegal. And that is the reason why.

Yes, you could spend ages looking over your shoulder to see whether anyone is illegally undertaking and looks intent on changing lanes thereafter. You could indeed. Only then you wouldn't have your eyes on the road in front of you for a wholly unreasonable period of time. I do not assume that people deliberately drive into each other. I assume that humans will behave like humans, and make mistakes. 32,298 deaths on British roads between 1999 and 2008 prove me right (see here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8401344.stm )

I agree with you that people blocking the middle and outer lanes without actually managing to overtake anything are the cause of the problem - that's the point I started off with, remember? If they were in the correct lane none of these problems would appear. Where I don't agree with you is in your reaction to it, which is simply to drive up the inside. That is dangerous. After all, people drive on automatic sometimes and do stupid things. Understand "automatic"?

Conversely, on an otherwise empty road with one lone car in the middle lane in front of you, no slip roads and nothing in your mirrors, what exactly is wrong with crossing from slow to fast lane to pass them, and then crossing straight back again? Using all the normal procedures for doing so? In what way exactly is that dangerous?

Crawling up the inside at 1-15mph when the traffic has all bunched up and the lanes are all full is not dangerous simply because if anyone does make a mistake the speed is too low for anyone to get seriously injured, unless they're very unlucky. It'll damage your car but it's unlikely to damage you. Anything above this and it starts looking very risky indeed. Yes, I know people should check properly before they change lanes, and use their indicators etc., but clearly some don't. Erm... understand "automatic"?

This is all about REALISTIC risk management, not highbrow theory. I can't quite take you seriously when you're suggesting I assume people will do stupid things, and that's wrong, and then in the next sentence you're saying I'm wrong for assuming that people might actually, once in a while, drive according to the highway code. So, what exactly are you saying? People will never make mistakes? Or everyone is capable of making a mistake?

And which strikes you as the most likely scenario, out in the real world?

Last edited by TechnoDog on 12 Apr 2012, 2:54 am, edited 5 times in total.

I don't know if it's just an NT thing. But for me, many people seem to think that a law only has to be obeyed if there is a police officer or someone of authority there to enforce it. There are many laws right here that one could break in full veiw of a police officer and he/she would do nothing. For instance, it's illegal to light fireworks in Ohio, but not illegal to sell them. When you buy them, they make you sign a paper that says you will light them in Indiana or somewhere where it is legal to light them...but no one ever enforces it. I got kicked out of a store about a week ago becuase of my bearded dragon and they refused to even look at her letter saying she is a service animal and legaly entitled to be there. I went back with a bunch of papers on service animal laws and they wouldn't look at those either. I told them I could sue them for discrimination but they didn't care. I wanted to sue but my parents didn't think it would be worth it.

I would agree MagicMeerkat or they make a law up that they think should be.