Don't cure autism now

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The best cure, is acceptence.

And second to that is a nice plate of milk and cookies!

stomping your feet and throwing a tanrum while saying "no no no no" doesn't make you right.


you want people to accept you...but you are unwilling to accept *them*. because you disagree, they are WRONG. that kind of sucks.

I accept everyone in my life exactly as they are. I have no desire to change anyone, even people that I don't really like. I will continue to support CAN for the reasons I stated before. My 5 year old should have a choice for himself as he grows up. so should every other person affected.

it isn't right for anyone else to say they can or can't.

Well you have to realize that a cure being found, will likely be forced on Autistic people because governments will see a financial benefit to simply cure all that is different, instead of support education programs to make people understand. Do the math, one cure will probably cost a sum of maybe ~$15,000 one-time payment, per Autistic person in taxpayers money, when first manufactured on a estimate. Compare it to the sum required to educate others, train workers and accommodate for Autistic people, which would be around $50,000-$100,000 a year per Autistic person, in taxpayers money, going for pensions and community service assistance. So don't tell me they won't consider it, as greed comes before morality to them. Worse of all, without a strong enough outcry (as people are brainwashed to see us as helpless and ret*d), well no-one can stop them from doing it. My fear is that such knowledge of a cure and it's application will be abused in a malicious fashion to save taxpayers money and not because they care. If I knew it wouldn't be the case, then maybe I'll have a more accepting opinion of the idea. But come on, I've already witness funding cuts to mental health sectors just for the sake of spending less money; so that in itself is evident enough to say they'll consider my feared idea.

I personally feel that if a cure is found, we'll be forced to be cured because the government and taxpayers want to save money on costs of pensions and services and cut them off completely. Why would they would do that you ask? Well, their attitude will be, "Well if there's a cure, we don't need to waste money on these services anymore, scrap them and give the parents or these Autistic people a free cure offer instead. If they refuse the offer, it's their bad luck and they must finance their own problems then". DON'T TELL ME they won't consider this because they have a heart, because history has proven otherwise.

Where's the choice in remaining the way you are if you're completely cut off and society is given the mentality that "you must be cured before you're accepted; there is one available, take it!"?
Where is the choice for parents who can't afford to give their children a choice, because they don't have government money assisting them anymore, as a free cure is offered?
Where is the choice when education programs about Autism cease because funding is cut; due to the cure being available, why bother? After all, if no education program exists, people will slowly forget how to manage Autistic people.
Where is the choice when social workers refuse to deal with Autistic people because they are not funded for that field anymore; due to the cure incentive?

So as far as I'm concerned, a cure will be used as a form of forced psychological cleansing to comply with a primitive intolerant society; and most Autistic people will be pressured to be cured, no matter how they feel about it (in one way or another). Where's the choice in that?

Willow, you don't address anyone, so it's unclear just whom you are referring to having a "tantrum". I certainly don't see anyone doing it. You haven't addressed anyone's statements either, just repeating why you support researching a cure. There are serious consequences to a possible cure as there are serious consequences to the existing treatments.
Asperger's is already considered an insurance risk, there are people afraid to get diagnosed because of this.
The cochlear implant analogy is very relevant and is happening now. It's not a lofty thing in the future.
It sounds like you're mistaking our resistance to a cure to being prejudiced against the people who want to cure us. That doesn't even make sense. Why not just address the relevant information?

I haven't seen any relevant information, just suppositions of individuals whom are putting their beliefs forward as FACT.

True tolerance needs to come from both sides. People like me and accept me in the pub - granted, I'm not a barrel of laughs but I get the impression that I'm a useful resource (knowing when to open your mouth and keep it shut can be useful, too) and they like me.

I do not want to be cured. Never! Never! Never! I'd rather die than have some godawful 'treatment' inflicted upon me. All it needs is time, patience, and tolerance. We can all work together for a better world in this way.

We can try and educate the curebies. If they won't listen, that's their problem. We are a minority in our own right - they can't just eradicate us.

So, the lists of so-called cures that are forced on people present-day is my opinion? Okay, that's a new one. I thought an opinion was a belief and a fact was something that you can verify.
Cochlear implants, just a figment of someone's imagination?
Experience may be anecdotal, but it's certainly real, not an opinion.

Nexus,

You have it BACKWARDS! If people respected space, and personal comfort, as they USED to, it would SAVE money, NOT cost! Fewer people would get sick, cancer, or vision/hearing problems! HEY, the aspie is more comfortable, and EVERYONE benefits! NICE!! !! !

As for Asperger's being an insurance risk? HOW??? Granted, I worked harder, etc... but that isn't 100% one way or the other. How is an Aspie more of a risk?

BTW Anyone advocating tests or cures should watch Gattaca!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119177/

GOOD entertaining and TRUTHFUL movie that shows what WILL happen with current beliefs and such technology. Basically, you have a super NT with some aspie traits vs. a normal NT with some aspie traits.(HECK, maybe he's aspie, WHO KNOWS!?)

Steve

I don't know, Steve, I just know that there are people here who have checked their insurance policies and found out that an Asperger's dx is a risk. Probably because of the "co-morbidity" of depression.

They sure are on a depression kick lately.

I wonder if they realize the "classic signs of depression" in an NT can indicate a perfectly healthy Aspie?

People say I look depressed all the time.. but Im usually in a good mood.

A candle that burns twice as bright may burn half as long. 8-( Even NTs have depression. I had depression and, although nobody seems to understand chemical depression, they never said it may have been because of some other disorder. ALSO, there are TONS of treatments for depression, and most have SUICIDE as a possible sideeffect! IRONIC, HUH! I think my depression was due to dietary problems. Since I started supplementing certain amino acids, the depression seems to have reversed. Yesterday I felt REALLY happy! The past couple months have been among the best. I'm going to have to check that out. STILL, my current big problem would probably never have happened if I was always treated as I earlier was, and wanted to be. It was just DUMB LUCK that ANYONE could have! People wonder how I could have such a problem when most seem to have it happen much later. Research a little, and you find 4 things!

1. Almost NO relation to age outside of increase of life experiences making older people more likely.
2. Some marfan and similar sufferers have this problem, and most happen in the 20s!
3. Some are at increased risk because of a minor birth defect that may never be detected earlier.
4. Some have a minor infection 20-40 years BEFORE the event! In other words, I could have caught a cold when I was 2 or 22 that would affect me NOW!

NO mention of depression, lifestyle, or AS or any autism increasing risk!

Steve

Fraya,

How do you figure? An NT won't get hyperlexia, sensory skewing, or increased IQ, or increased interests, just because of depression.

BTW that brings back memories! People used to tell me to smile more. I never really smiled most of the time, but I was happy. Later, they told me I looked happy when I was miserable. I guess I got too used to everything. 8-(

Maybe you guys are just like me. I forgot about how I used to actual feel happy, I felt miserable for so long. I used to be SO stubborn and set in my ways, but I guess I caved at some point

Steve

Apparently it's common for us to look miserable even if we're not! I learned a long time ago to keep smiling just to keep people off my back!

Yeh I get that alot. I look miserable even though I'm not and people come up to me in school and ask "What's wrong?". I stop smiling anyway because I get told "I smile to much."

A Catch 22 with me here.

Well according to what I've seen with government policy, It'll happen the way I said it, because do you realize how much it costs to simply make people aware, support and understand us? It's a lot of money because of the amount of employment needed for training and education programs for social workers, etc; the amount of money needed to host seminars (renting facilities costs money too); the amount of money needed for disability pensions for either parents or individual, it all totals in the billions if there are a lot of Autistic people in a country. I mean why waste yearly sums of money in the billions, when you can pay a single one billion dollar lump sump payment a hell of a lot cheaper to the economy? That is what I'm pointing out, a cure would be a cheap option and once Autism is eradicated, then there's no need for any funding for any Autism programs anymore. It'll become like the old days where nothing is available for Autistic people anymore (except in the future, they'll only be the cure available ).

Basically, it's like making a investment in a profitable project, you know in the long run it'll save you billions of dollars when it's complete, at the expense of millions of dollars required to implement it. Since people like these CAN groups are spreading propaganda about how horrible it is to be Autistic, the general public won't give a crap about us and will demand their government to force a cure to save billions of dollars in the health system; whist they're under the belief they're helping us. Here's a final thing they'll do to fortify their idea, they would basically tell the public that, "With the billions of dollars a year saved from curing Autism with a one billion dollar incentive, we can boost other health care services. Waiting lists will be slashed, treatments for other illnesses will be subsidized", and with that, we become extinct within a generation thanks to greed.

By the way, when I talk about this, I'm only talking about LFA and HFA people here, not AS. AS people are already getting screwed by the government here, because back when AS was seen as Autism still, AS people had access to well paying pensions and a diverse range of services. Once they added AS as a diagnosis, all the AS people lost most of those services and most of their pensions. So you cannot tell me they're not trying to find ways to cut people off, and with a cure, it'll be their dream to stop paying or support Autistic people, like it was back in the day Autism was unknown.



If this was directed at me, I'm talking about Autistic people here (LFA and HFA) not Asperger people. Since people are brainwashed to believe us to be ret*d, we would be seen as a liability to safety or work-production, because they'll think we'll do something stupid, clumsy or dangerous and need constant assistance or supervision from an aide.