why are they so many AS fakers?

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Because first-person case studies are the scientific way to do it! Speaking from personal experience, since some things don't come as obvious to me (such as whether or not people are lying or trolling) I rely on empirical evidence to come to my conclusions.

Last edited by Senath on 07 Jun 2012, 9:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Me either. I don't think that I have any great insight that allows me to diagnose strangers on the Internet.

Maybe I am guilty of giving people the benefit of the doubt, but I tend to think that most of the people here without a diagnosis are just people who honestly feel that ASD answers all the questions they have about themselves. And who knows, maybe they aren't really on the spectrum. But they think they are and maybe that brings them solace. I'm not going to break out the DSM and give them the third degree. And I'm definitely not going to lose sleep over it.

Lots of people on the spectrum have spouses, are successful at their jobs, and even have friends. You may be able to pick out some people on the spectrum just by watching them, but you can't exclude someone just because they appear NT.

This is very true! The point that I am trying to make is though is that people with jobs, friends, significant others obviously do not have a communication issue if they can form relationships and gain and maintain employment.

That's what these people are not getting. GOOD point though!

I suppose that would be true if every NT out there was callous, impatient, and selfish, but they aren't. I have difficulty communicating, but my boss, my spouse, and my friends don't abandon me because of it. We work around it together. They are understanding. And of course I work hard to communicate better everyday.

Maybe the point I am making is not clear enough because everyone seems to be confused by it. So again, how do you have a communication retardation if you have friends, have a job, have a significant other? In order to obtain all or one of those things, you must have the communication skills to gain one or more of them. Am I wrong?

So then, where does the communication issue reside?

I can tell on this website.

New person comes in claiming they have autism yet talks down to you for having autism, belittles you.

New person comes in and tries to declare all autistics as serial killers or skews definitions of autism to mean psychopath then they claim they have autism yet their whole personality is based on rude mean behavior and insulting.

Claims they are autistic yet skews autistics as standing up for human rights as though that means you are trying to prevent someone from being cured and shame on you for doing so. Where as if that person has autism, surely that person must know what it feels like to be treated as less than human at times.

Comes in pretending lack of empathy is the same as Anti-social personality disorder.

Has nothing positive to say about autistics met and tries to make all autistics out to be horrible people.

Yes there are people here faking it because they feel they will get sympathy or attention yet if you really are autistic, you would really notice that you don't get sympathy for having autism.

People like this exist. They want attention. Some call them trolls.

Last edited by TheygoMew on 07 Jun 2012, 9:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.

There is a difference between typing and speech.

People with aspergers do not have as much difficulty with speech than those with severe autism. Having said that when put on the spot or other situations, it may be hard for one person with aspergers to speak or pick up on some social cues.

I know of several autistics who type but cannot verbally communicate.

It's not all about speech.

I agree but I still don't think people who work, have friends, or significant others have a commication issue. Its a contradiction IMO!
I could see having a job at most but friends and or a GF/BF as well. Come on

I have been working in my latest job since January. Yes I have suffered unemployment and I have never kept a job for long. I am hard working and friendly, yet I have even been sacked from one of my jobs because of "the wrong attitude" I have been taken advantage of, bullied and missunderstood. This time round, I had the help of Remploy (job agency in the UK that helps with special needs to get work) and now I work for the NHS doing quite a mentally demanding job. It is the first job I disclosed I had Aspergers. It is also the first job that people have supported me in and I am doing well at. This job I should keep for a very long time. It is possible to be successful with the right support x

I would disagree. My work hires primarily on whether you have the right degree. Communication isn't much required. The ability to do the computer work is paramount. My spouse initially fell for me because he liked the same music I did. My communication issues have always caused problems. We broke up countless times because of it and have been on the brink of divorce because of it. He sticks with me even though it drives him crazy. He likes me despite the fact that my communication problems are a constant source of stress. Just because I suck at communication doesn't mean I'm unlovable. You know? It doesn't mean that people can't see past it and relate to who I am and like who I am. Same with friends. I have even more severe problems communicating with my family, but they understand. We talk primarily through email because it is easier for me. I can sound downright elegant on email. And it means MUCH less anxiety for me!

In short I suck at social situations, but it doesn't mean that I am doomed to be alone. I've found a few people who have found it in their heart to deal with my shortcomings. And it doesn't hurt that I have quite a few aspies at my work.

Last edited by Juliana on 07 Jun 2012, 9:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

There are non-verbal autistics who can in fact sing but can't speak. Yes our brains are wired differently. Then there are autistics like Temple Grandin who had speech delays but caught up. She had to go through alot just to prove she could do something.

Despite the stereotypes thanks to Rainman, if it's a hobby, interest an autistic person will be very focused on becoming good at it.


He is HFA. Not Aspergers.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fw1CcxCUgg[/youtube]


Non verbal but can sing. Two examples.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5I1VpHDZzg[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxQn8HojsAU[/youtube]

Last edited by TheygoMew on 07 Jun 2012, 9:55 pm, edited 3 times in total.

Some people found the right skills to cope with their neurological differences, and/or were born into better circumstances which helped them learn to interact better socially, and some don't have certain neurological differences which could affect social status to the same degree in the same areas (some people have speaking issues, eye-contact issues, tactile issues, light issues, but not all people have issues in all of these areas). Would you agree about that?

ROFL! writing is my preferred media for communication. I once got very angry with most of my family -- they each received a multi-paged epistle (this was back before we had e-mail), and were walking on eggshells around me for years. I have two close friends besides my husband, both of which appear to also be on the spectrum. One I've never squabbled with, and the other is kind enough to allow me the choice of media for a scrap, and my making a comment about "asbestos inbox liner" is a warning that he is cruising for one. my current Hubby is Bi-Polar, among other things -- although he isn't on the spectrum, I wouldn't exactly call him neurotypical.

The one thing I love about the Internet is nobody can see my communication problems -- I choose whether to reply or pretend I didn't see the post. No one knows how long it took for me to write the post, or how non-linear it's composition was.

Instead of faulting us for succeeding in spite of the odds, you should be asking how we did it.

People who are deaf non-verbal, can have friendships with people who are hearing and don't sign. You can be friends with a non-fluent non-native speaker. You can be friends with people who are blind, mute, etc. etc.

It's not just people on the spectrum who have troubles communicating, and a lot of them do just fine.

You find alternative methods of communication if the normal ones are too difficult. My partner and I communicate a lot through E-mail, enough though we live together and see each other often, because it takes the social pressures off for me.

Alternative communication is still communication.

I have acquaintance where the only thing that we have in common is a particular interest, and as Temple Grandin says on her website 'The people I worked on projects with, or rode horses with, did not bully me because we liked to do the same things. There was no time for bullying and it was not an issue when I was with these groups'.

Once you get past hostile, shock horror, the people may find that they enjoy something about you as a person, and that putting in that extra effort to maintain communications is worth it.

So, we the communication deficit is still there, but you learn to fracking work around it. It will always be hard, and challenging, so it will always be an issue.

Also, I apologise for calling you an asshat, that was uncalled for. You just have a different, although personally infuriating, view point.

I don't think that anybody can fake AS any more than a black person can fake being white.

The Text Message has been a godsend!