I am the only person I know like this in real life

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18 Jan 2013, 2:09 am

Wow, a lot of strawman arguments on here....

I don't know how people managed to conclude that I'm a misogynist or even sociopath(lol)
there is nothing predatory or manipulative about learning how to interact more effectively with women, learning to understand women allows you to interact with them in a more meaningful way and there is nothing "predatory" about approaching women either, women like sex... how is seeking to perform an act that is mutually pleasurable with someone of the opposite sex predatory? I also never at any stage stated that I don't love the women I'm in multiple open relationships with, just because I'm not some insecure possessive loser who wants to restrict my own freedom and the freedom of the women I'm seeing I'm suddenly a manipulative sociopath who doesn't know true love? Since when does not subscribing to the dogmatic societal expectation of monogamy make somebody a bad person?

Also I have to laugh at the comments about alcohol and loose women. Just because a woman decides to have sex with somebody quickly and non-exclusively when she's attracted to them does not make her loose or immoral, it just means that she is more decisive, less inhibited, enjoys sex more... there are a lot of possibilities, I find the way people tend to psychoanalyze promiscuous women as having low self respect is incredibly discriminatory and misogynistic.

I am arrogant though, I have achieved something that no aspie I've ever known in real life and very few NT males manage to do. I had to change my belief systems, learn incredibly complex patterns and principles of human behavior, hone the arts of social expression and charisma and constantly expose myself to rejection after rejection while I learned to navigate this previously uncharted territory. People can say I'm a sociopath or woman hater or loser or primitive or whatever lame insult they care to throw at me, all that tells me is that they're ignorant and bigoted.



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18 Jan 2013, 3:26 am

I am concerned by the fact that you had never been bullied in your life, which is a very unusual trait if one has AS.
Having a doctor's prove doesn't mean that the doctor is right.
Remember that AS is still relatively a very new found disorder, and misdiagnosis is common.

I would say that you seem more like anti-society behaviour on the cool side, rather than having the unpopular AS traits.
That's why you get a group of friends, because you are perceived as being "cool" by your friends,
instead of typical AS traits like knowledgeable, formal, or scoring good marks from exams.
I wouldn't imagine an Aspie could have so many women willing to have sex if it wasn't for lots of money.
Not even those who are good looking.
I was told that I was good looking by several males, but they never meant a lustful comment. They all later had girl friends who weren't me, I'm more like a friend.
Males gather round me for my knowledge, or to discuss about current affairs, ask me for advice, or when they want to talk about people they hate.
I wouldn't say that my social problem was too severe. Whilst I feel being the odd one out, people do gather round me, and call me out for dinner as a friend.
I think I found myself a niche in social life, rather than learning general social stuff like reading people's emotion, partying, or what.
My friends later introduced me into video gaming, which I quite enjoyed.

I won't be telling you about what will happen to your friends or women later on in life,
but I would say that you don't seem to be like an Aspie.

However, this is not entirely impossible.
I have known a few males who find another Aspie lady "cute" because of the awkward way she walks.
Somehow her physical awkwardness managed to become cute in their eyes.
But I mean A FEW males, instead of a whole bunch.



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18 Jan 2013, 10:28 am

SuSaNnA wrote:
I am concerned by the fact that you had never been bullied in your life, which is a very unusual trait if one has AS.
Having a doctor's prove doesn't mean that the doctor is right.
Remember that AS is still relatively a very new found disorder, and misdiagnosis is common.

I would say that you seem more like anti-society behaviour on the cool side, rather than having the unpopular AS traits.
That's why you get a group of friends, because you are perceived as being "cool" by your friends,
instead of typical AS traits like knowledgeable, formal, or scoring good marks from exams.
I wouldn't imagine an Aspie could have so many women willing to have sex if it wasn't for lots of money.
Not even those who are good looking.

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If the OP is correct about a formal DX, then I really don't see why it should be challenged. Suffering bullying is not a requirement for a DX, and I'm not familar with anti-social behaviors, by themselves, leading to a false positive DX. It would'nt be the first time, but it is unsual.

OP claims a formal DX, and a special interest in human social interaction. I don't think that rules out a DX.

I'd like to ask if the OP is being held to an unusually high standard here. It's rare on WP to challenge a claimed formal DX, and yet the OP has already been accused of (at least) 2 seperate DSM-IV disorders, and now is being questioned about a false positive DX. While I have wondered in the past about the accuracy of some DXs, the treatment of the OP is unusual.


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18 Jan 2013, 2:02 pm

Dreycrux wrote:
Tarzan wrote:
I want to see if anyone else here is like this. I have full blown, legit aspergers syndrome, I was diagnosed when I was five, I have the obsessive interests and everything BUT I have managed to develop my skills and charisma, empathy, emotional intelligence, body language, vocal tonality, eye contact, facial expressions etc to an extremely high level. Such a high level in fact that my social competence far outstrips that of most nuerotypicals. I have accomplished this over the course of the last 15 months.

examples of social competence that transcends that of average neurotypicals:

-Attracting women, I have had sex with three different girls in the last two months. I read somewhere that the average neurotypical man only manages to obtain seven sexual partners in a lifetime

-walking up to attractive women in nightclubs and making out with them within a few seconds of meeting with little to no verbal communication between us. I have kissed 22 hot girls in the last year.


-Making pretty much everybody roar with laughter at my jokes and anecdotes at social gatherings, generally being the center of attention.

-Endearing myself to people extremely quickly and effectively. I have a decently sized group of friends who share my obsessive interest with getting good with girls and mastering charisma and psychology. We meet up regularly and have awesome adventures in town.

-I am extremely confident in high pressure social situations such as approaching women in clubs and public speaking, most nuerotypicals find these tasks intimidating, I have learned to overcome this fear. Most neurotypicals drink to become uninhibited and enjoy more intimate or sexual social interaction, I am able to achieve a similar loosened up, extroverted state while completely sober.

I strongly believe that Aspies are capable of incredible feats of social competence and charisma when we direct our obsessive devotion and high intelligence to tackling the problem of social interaction. I have yet to see another aspie who has managed to do what I've done in real life though, I'm now seeing if I can find any online, I know I can't be the only Aspie who dominates the social sphere in this manor. So, I ask, has anybody else on here managed to cure their own social awkwardness, master charisma, get lots of hot girls, get great friends or any of those other achievements typical of the socially advanced? Even if I don't find anyone else who is like me I hope I can at least inspire other aspies to follow my example and master social skills.


I wouldn't consider those social achievements, I just think your primitive and there's nothing intelligent, special, or decent about you. I like how you come on here boasting you sleep with many women expecting to get a pat on the back when in fact your just making things awkward and embarrassing yourself. I like how the media and society has twisted your mind into thinking that keeping "score" and telling the world about it grants you status and recognition. Truth is no one cares about where your dick has been and your no different from every animal on earth who gives into their primal urges. This is disgusting. one of these days your going to get someone pregnant or acquire a lifelong STD, lets see how proud of your achievements you are then.

I know I've edited this like 6 times but It is hard for me to get my thoughts into words sometimes. But this is what I feel.


Pretty much.



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18 Jan 2013, 2:32 pm

Yes



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18 Jan 2013, 3:37 pm

I can manipulate NTs into liking me, but chose not to. I only know I can do this, because before I found out that I have AS, I sometimes had to do it to get by.

There are plently of men out there who don't try and have sex with as many girls as possible, which explains why the average man has only 7 sexual partners in their life time. I'm sure the average man could get more than that if he wanted to.

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So, I ask, has anybody else on here managed to cure their own social awkwardness, master charisma, get lots of hot girls, get great friends or any of those other achievements typical of the socially advanced? Even if I don't find anyone else who is like me I hope I can at least inspire other aspies to follow my example and master social skills.

I can act the opposite of socially awkward if I want to.
I can act charismatic if I want to.
I'm a female who likes men, and is under the age of consent. I don't even want to sleep with lots of people who I don't know very well.
I do have great friends.

Not everyone is as desperate as you to master social skills. I also get the feeling that you think you're better at socialising than you actually are.


Looks have a lot to do with social acceptance.
What level of physical attractiveness I have hasn't been constant throughout my life time, and people do seem to like me more when I look better to them.
Have you not noticed that people tend to prefer prettier people?


I've never heard of an Aspie just developing a fear of eye contact after a while of looking people in the eye (other than those who "regressed"). Has anyone else here had the same experience? I'm interested in hearing some stories.



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19 Jan 2013, 4:11 am

Just took that AQ test everybody is talking about.. lol, I got a 10. two years ago I probably would have gotten a 30



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19 Jan 2013, 4:38 am

Tarzan wrote:
Just took that AQ test everybody is talking about.. lol, I got a 10. two years ago I probably would have gotten a 30


Well that says it all I'm afraid

Whatever 'condition' you have got, it is certainly not the standard permutation of Asperger's Syndrome



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19 Jan 2013, 5:24 am

nessa238 wrote:
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Just took that AQ test everybody is talking about.. lol, I got a 10. two years ago I probably would have gotten a 30


Well that says it all I'm afraid

Whatever 'condition' you have got, it is certainly not the standard permutation of Asperger's Syndrome


Just because OP got a low score on an online test, 'doesn't mean that they aren't an Aspie.
I've spent the past few months going over past social situations in my head, and now that I've learnt more about socializing from doing that, I no longer pass those online tests either.

Though I am quite suspicious about things OP did in their childhood which they consider to Aspie-ish, because they really aren't all that Aspie-ish.



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19 Jan 2013, 5:28 am

JellyCat wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Tarzan wrote:
Just took that AQ test everybody is talking about.. lol, I got a 10. two years ago I probably would have gotten a 30


Well that says it all I'm afraid

Whatever 'condition' you have got, it is certainly not the standard permutation of Asperger's Syndrome


Just because OP got a low score on an online test, 'doesn't mean that they aren't an Aspie.
I've spent the past few months going over past social situations in my head, and now that I've learnt more about socializing from doing that, I no longer pass those online tests either.

Though I am quite suspicious about things OP did in their childhood which they consider to Aspie-ish, because they aren't all that Aspie-ish at-all.


It wasn't just a low score though was it?

It was lower than the average NT gets! (16)

Don't people realise that if you widen the boundaries of the Asperger Diagnosis to this extent, it's effectively meaningless
as anyone can potentially get one!

This is a highly logical point I'm making here so I certainly don't expect many people on here to get it!



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