Special interest destroyed!
If they "get out while they can", what will happen to the kids? I doubt all the problems these parents have are caused by their marriage- do you think they would honestly be well off with a father who is dishonest in that he sells their things without anyone knowing, has no job (not saying this is his fault- but unless their father has some way of getting money outside his job they won't live comfortably), up and leaves his family showing he doesn't really have the sense of responsibility needed, etc., or a mother who can't easily seem to control her emotions? I think they both need therapy for the kids' sake.
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So apparently I have "a very small trace of Aspergers?". Yeah, not sure what that means. But hey, any help I can give I will.
Glad to meet to you all!

Divorce of parents isn't the worst thing that can happen to a kid. When I was a kid, my dad used to verbally abuse my mom and hit me. Never serious, nothing that would get the police called, but I would truly have been happier if she had divorced him. Unlike this situation, though, he truly was a sociopath. This isn't nearly as bad--there's potential for healing here; or at least, from what I see; it's just so buried in resentment.
The best situation for kids of divorced parents is if the parents remain on good terms afterwards and don't put the kids in the middle of any fights they might have.
At this point, separation might be the best idea simply because the longer you stay together, the more you hurt each other and the worse your relationship gets. I'm not a marriage counselor, obviously, but it seems to make sense that if you keep hurting each other that can only make things worse. If instead you were to back off and try to rebuild things from the ground up, maybe you could break that cycle. Maybe even go on dates again, get to know each other properly, put aside the history of pain and craziness.
Anger management might be useful too, for Worried Wife. The strategy of leaving a situation when you're too angry to think straight makes a lot of sense and I think it's quite a mature thing to do. If she could learn that, too, maybe that would help.
Here's another thought--and I have no idea if this would be any good, but it'll do no harm to throw it out there. What if, instead of just replacing the models, you were to use them as a safe way to interact? Buy the kits, or the supplies, and he can teach her how to put them together, explain how they work and what the history of the different designs is. That way she can literally undo the damage she's done--maybe not as skillfully as an experienced model builder, but rebuilding nevertheless. The danger in this is that it will spark an argument over some memory that crops up, so you'll have to assume that eventually one or the other of you will get too mad to be nice to the other, and you don't want that. Instead, agree that either one of you can ask to take a break--and the first time you do this together, both of you have to ask for at least one break, so that you know how it's done. Whether you're frustrated, feeling yourself boiling over or wanting to say something nasty, both of you simply leave the room, go somewhere separate, and wait until you are okay to start again.
Like I said, I have no idea if that would do any good, but it's a thought. If you have AS, sharing a special interest with someone is usually one of the most meaningful sorts of closeness you can have. And if you don't have AS, learning about that joy and fulfillment helps you understand the other person's perspective.
One other thing: You might want to research disability advocacy. It seems to me that both of you have probably internalized anti-disability prejudice--that bias against "crazy" or "abnormal". You both probably beat yourself up about not being normal enough, and may well see your respective conditions as something to be ashamed of. It's natural in this world to soak that up whether you like it or not... to fear disability, to think of it as foreign and unnatural rather than as a part of the human experience. And if you reject it in yourself, you learn to reject it in others, to try to think of them as the person they would be if they didn't have the disability... but that's not the way it is. Your disability is a part of your life. It can be so hard to learn that different is okay, disability and mental illness something that's not something to reject, but a part of your life. Everyone has problems; having PTSD is no fun, outright painful, and neither is it any fun to have to work hard to the point of burnout just to understand the people around you. But they are not especially scary problems. It's not something you need to be ashamed of or sweep under the rug or pretend doesn't exist. It's simply a fact, a neutral part of your existence that you acknowledge and take steps to cope with.
I wish you both the best. I wish you happiness, though I don't know if you will find it together or apart.
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The best situation for kids of divorced parents is if the parents remain on good terms afterwards and don't put the kids in the middle of any fights they might have.
At this point, separation might be the best idea simply because the longer you stay together, the more you hurt each other and the worse your relationship gets. I'm not a marriage counselor, obviously, but it seems to make sense that if you keep hurting each other that can only make things worse. If instead you were to back off and try to rebuild things from the ground up, maybe you could break that cycle. Maybe even go on dates again, get to know each other properly, put aside the history of pain and craziness.
Anger management might be useful too, for Worried Wife. The strategy of leaving a situation when you're too angry to think straight makes a lot of sense and I think it's quite a mature thing to do. If she could learn that, too, maybe that would help.
Here's another thought--and I have no idea if this would be any good, but it'll do no harm to throw it out there. What if, instead of just replacing the models, you were to use them as a safe way to interact? Buy the kits, or the supplies, and he can teach her how to put them together, explain how they work and what the history of the different designs is. That way she can literally undo the damage she's done--maybe not as skillfully as an experienced model builder, but rebuilding nevertheless. The danger in this is that it will spark an argument over some memory that crops up, so you'll have to assume that eventually one or the other of you will get too mad to be nice to the other, and you don't want that. Instead, agree that either one of you can ask to take a break--and the first time you do this together, both of you have to ask for at least one break, so that you know how it's done. Whether you're frustrated, feeling yourself boiling over or wanting to say something nasty, both of you simply leave the room, go somewhere separate, and wait until you are okay to start again.
Like I said, I have no idea if that would do any good, but it's a thought. If you have AS, sharing a special interest with someone is usually one of the most meaningful sorts of closeness you can have. And if you don't have AS, learning about that joy and fulfillment helps you understand the other person's perspective.
One other thing: You might want to research disability advocacy. It seems to me that both of you have probably internalized anti-disability prejudice--that bias against "crazy" or "abnormal". You both probably beat yourself up about not being normal enough, and may well see your respective conditions as something to be ashamed of. It's natural in this world to soak that up whether you like it or not... to fear disability, to think of it as foreign and unnatural rather than as a part of the human experience. And if you reject it in yourself, you learn to reject it in others, to try to think of them as the person they would be if they didn't have the disability... but that's not the way it is. Your disability is a part of your life. It can be so hard to learn that different is okay, disability and mental illness something that's not something to reject, but a part of your life. Everyone has problems; having PTSD is no fun, outright painful, and neither is it any fun to have to work hard to the point of burnout just to understand the people around you. But they are not especially scary problems. It's not something you need to be ashamed of or sweep under the rug or pretend doesn't exist. It's simply a fact, a neutral part of your existence that you acknowledge and take steps to cope with.
I wish you both the best. I wish you happiness, though I don't know if you will find it together or apart.
I agree- my parents divorced when I was a teen and I can tell you it wasn't as bad as their constant fighting- but I never said that divorce was bad for them. I was saying that both parents seem to have issues that need to be resolved before they should independently take care of children. Both my parents had full time jobs, and though my mother had anger issues she was long since seeing a psychologist and they weren't a problem.
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So apparently I have "a very small trace of Aspergers?". Yeah, not sure what that means. But hey, any help I can give I will.
Glad to meet to you all!

I think it is only fair to point out that the woman you are directing this to was molested as a child. To call that "no fun" and "not (an) especially scary problem" indicates to me that you may not fully understand the extent of the damage that is caused by this. She was not born this way. Someone forced it upon her when she was too young and vulnerable to stop it. It is not just PTSD that she is dealing with. It's years and years of horrific behavior that altered the way she developed as a child. And good luck telling most any adult molested as a child that it is not something to be ashamed of. Whether you or I believe so has nothing to do with how the victim of the trauma feels. She went on to be physically and sexually abused as an adult. To expect her to act as a well-functioning NT is exceedingly unfair. The scars she bears are likely as deep--if not deeper--than the issues faced by her spouse. Respect what she went through. It altered the course of her life.
But I do agree with TGH. Neither of them appear to be in a space to have independent responsibility for children at this point. Both of them could be able, provided they get help, but right now they both seem to raw.
I hope they get help.
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Mom to 2 exceptional atypical kids
Long BAP lineage
My parents SHOULD have seperated years before they did, when I was 17. I witnessed/heard so much anger over the years. ( In point-of-fact my Mom has constant meltdowns & I strongly suspect her as both being abused as a child & having a form of ADHD)> The final act was truly awful, with her destroying most of of our house before packing up me & my sister.All the emotional trauma of this end resulted in my sister running away & being killed in an AUTO accident.
I realized After-The_Fact, that much of my High SChool years depression came from the Stress. That & my social problems from (probable) HFA.
Its just NOT WORTH it. The cycle tends to perpetuate itself.
And no, I doubt either spouse is innocent ( as Dr, Phil said "No pancake is so flat it doesn't have two sides". Trite, but true..)
I truly think time apart & SERIOUS counseling is in order here.
Sincerely,
Matthew
I think it is only fair to point out that the woman you are directing this to was molested as a child. To call that "no fun" and "not (an) especially scary problem" indicates to me that you may not fully understand the extent of the damage that is caused by this. She was not born this way. Someone forced it upon her when she was too young and vulnerable to stop it. It is not just PTSD that she is dealing with. It's years and years of horrific behavior that altered the way she developed as a child. And good luck telling most any adult molested as a child that it is not something to be ashamed of. Whether you or I believe so has nothing to do with how the victim of the trauma feels. She went on to be physically and sexually abused as an adult. To expect her to act as a well-functioning NT is exceedingly unfair. The scars she bears are likely as deep--if not deeper--than the issues faced by her spouse. Respect what she went through. It altered the course of her life.
What I mean when I say it is not especially scary nor something to be ashamed of, is that PTSD is simply something that happens to human beings who are in situations where they are threatened and cannot escape. It's a known phenomenon. Soldiers come back from the battlefield with it; people survive abusive situations and come away with it; people get assaulted and end up with it. Therefore we know what it is. It is not something that should be thought of as foreign, uncanny, strange... it is part of our human experience. Think of all the bad things that happen to people. A mother gives birth to a stillborn child; a thirty-five-year-old dies of cancer; a family is forced to flee their home to escape a war. Those things happen. They are terrible things. But they are not things that should cause us to back away from the people who experienced them and assume that what they experienced is so utterly foreign that we have to be frightened of them.
As for shame: Have you heard of false shame? A child who experienced sexual abuse has no reason to be ashamed. They are not at fault and they did nothing to deserve it. The shame is there because it has been forced on that person--it's part of the abuse, part of the suffering. That we have people among us who have been victimized in this fashion does not mean that these people are so horribly damaged that they aren't quite like the rest of us anymore. It shouldn't scare us like that. What it should mean is that they are people who have been hurt; and people having been hurt is common, and while it's terrible, it's not frightening. It should cause us to support them, not fear somehow catching the aftershocks they are experiencing.
People with disabilities are part of the human community. They are fundamentally human. They have so much more in common with everyone else that the differences are comparatively small. We should not think of them as living at a remove from everyone else. There are not "people" and "disabled-people". There are just people, some of whom happen to be disabled. Might sound trivial, but it's important. Disability, trauma--you're still human. No fear; no pity; no patronizing. Just support.
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Normal people don't smash things when upset, the definition of NT is a bit off on this website according to what I've been taught. All people with ADHD/ADD, learning disabilities (Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, Dyscalculia, Dysgraphia), "Mental Illness" (BiPolar, Schizo, PTSD, Anxiety, etc), Autistic Spectrum, and other developmental neurological disorders are NOT Neurotypical, they are Neurodiverse. This being said this woman does not have the basic requirements to be considered NT, she does not live the life of an NT, and she faces a world who for the most part speaks another language from her. She is ND, like myself, and she has a list of concerns that are valid and serious.
Yes, it is easy to get hung up on any side of the fence and I'm not defending her because I identify. I'm not defending her at all, but I am going to stand up against the assumptions and bullying concerning an "NT wife". It's sick and ignorant.
I know that she did not simply premeditate ruining someone's life by destroying material possessions, there is a lot more to this. Did anyone ever think these possessions MAY have caused abuse that set her over the edge? Maybe these possessions are why she is defending and protecting the fiscal assets required for survival? If I didn't do the finances my AS/ASD husband would have us broke for several reasons and he has been bailed out for similar "meaningful possessions" taking priority over basic survival needs. When this affects daily survival (which is neglectful and a form of abuse all it's own) it is natural for that defensive survival drive to kick in. Everyone has a limit and a person with a history of abuse can smell abuse a mile away, I have a feeling this all happened from this very natural response and there is nothing "normal" about it. Normal people do not have these reactions. Normal people do not have these problems. I see no sign of "NT" on either side of the fence. I'm not inferring she has gone through what I have, I do not know, but I can tell you that an NT would struggle coping while an ND will simply meltdown and shutdown in these situations.
How abusive is it to put these planes above her when they may be part of why their family is struggling? If these planes are more important than the family, how is she simply not reacting to being abused? The cruelty I've seen displayed is astounding, I'm thankful some of you have been helpful and fair compared to the posts I'm referring to.
I've seen enough here to know all I can say is there is more here than meets the eye and both parties need to find a solution and make it happen. It will be dangerous and very harmful if you two do not find a reasonable agreement on making improvements from both sides. Relationships are a two-way street, if that's too much to bare then don't have one. If your possessions come first, don't get in a relationship with ANYONE who doesn't feel that way. If your partner is not your EQUAL, you are not "partners". Everyone is an individual with feelings that are very real and valid, the second this is not the case is when a relationship is not a healthy plausibility.
I'm sorry for that outburst, but for so many people talking about abuse there sure is a lot of abusive behavior here and bullying.
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Aspie Score= 82 out of 200
NT Score= 126 out of 200
Yes, it is easy to get hung up on any side of the fence and I'm not defending her because I identify. I'm not defending her at all, but I am going to stand up against the assumptions and bullying concerning an "NT wife". It's sick and ignorant.
I know that she did not simply premeditate ruining someone's life by destroying material possessions, there is a lot more to this. Did anyone ever think these possessions MAY have caused abuse that set her over the edge? Maybe these possessions are why she is defending and protecting the fiscal assets required for survival? If I didn't do the finances my AS/ASD husband would have us broke for several reasons and he has been bailed out for similar "meaningful possessions" taking priority over basic survival needs. When this affects daily survival (which is neglectful and a form of abuse all it's own) it is natural for that defensive survival drive to kick in. Everyone has a limit and a person with a history of abuse can smell abuse a mile away, I have a feeling this all happened from this very natural response and there is nothing "normal" about it. Normal people do not have these reactions. Normal people do not have these problems. I see no sign of "NT" on either side of the fence. I'm not inferring she has gone through what I have, I do not know, but I can tell you that an NT would struggle coping while an ND will simply meltdown and shutdown in these situations.
How abusive is it to put these planes above her when they may be part of why their family is struggling? If these planes are more important than the family, how is she simply not reacting to being abused? The cruelty I've seen displayed is astounding, I'm thankful some of you have been helpful and fair compared to the posts I'm referring to.
I've seen enough here to know all I can say is there is more here than meets the eye and both parties need to find a solution and make it happen. It will be dangerous and very harmful if you two do not find a reasonable agreement on making improvements from both sides. Relationships are a two-way street, if that's too much to bare then don't have one. If your possessions come first, don't get in a relationship with ANYONE who doesn't feel that way. If your partner is not your EQUAL, you are not "partners". Everyone is an individual with feelings that are very real and valid, the second this is not the case is when a relationship is not a healthy plausibility.
I'm sorry for that outburst, but for so many people talking about abuse there sure is a lot of abusive behavior here and bullying.
^
Y'know what- if I was anywhere on the fence this has swayed me. There are, like I've said, issues on both sides. This woman is not 'evil' for smashing the planes, just as much as he isn't 'evil' for having a meltdown! It takes two. I hope you two ignore the incredibly out of place, mean comments and focus on the ones that were posted after the Mrs. made her post and actually have made a point without being demeaning and aggressive. Like the one I'm quoting!
Again, I hope it gets better for both of you, and you both do everything possible so that you and your children are happy and safe.
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So apparently I have "a very small trace of Aspergers?". Yeah, not sure what that means. But hey, any help I can give I will.
Glad to meet to you all!

Seconded, may you two find your peace and I wish you both the best healthy outcome possible for your family! Lots of


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AQ: 26 EQ: 42 SQ: 51 M/E: 21
Aspie Score= 82 out of 200
NT Score= 126 out of 200
It's not going to bean easy ride but I think with a bit more responsibility for my own actions and less blame things will be a lots smoother.
So again Thanks

You're very welcome and I wish you both all the best. Hang in there and don't be a stranger

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It's not going to bean easy ride but I think with a bit more responsibility for my own actions and less blame things will be a lots smoother.
So again Thanks

You're welcome. I hope for the best- things may not be great now but I'm sure you will be able to put them right. Best of luck. c:
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So apparently I have "a very small trace of Aspergers?". Yeah, not sure what that means. But hey, any help I can give I will.
Glad to meet to you all!

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