Should we concentrate ourselves in particular locations?

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Should we concentrate ourselves in particular locations?
Yes. 22%  22%  [ 8 ]
Yes, let's start picking some metros and cities. 31%  31%  [ 11 ]
No. 19%  19%  [ 7 ]
No, bad idea. 28%  28%  [ 10 ]
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27 Mar 2013, 1:06 am

I'd originally moved to Seattle about seven years ago on the premise that I would go back to nursing, get on my feet (I was homeless living in a car) and return to Nashville to write country songs. Yes, I'm still here. Ah, the best laid plans of mice and men...



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27 Mar 2013, 1:19 am

briankelley wrote:
There's a very interesting documentary called Alone In The Wilderness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss
He lived completely alone in an 11x14 foot cabin for 30 years. He had to have been an aspie. :) Absolutely fascinating. But I think I'm way too urbanized for anything like that. I'm too used to a supermarket being five minutes away.

that man was A MAN! what a super physical specimen, he was TOUGH! and sharp as well.



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27 Mar 2013, 8:54 am

I really would'nt call moving to an existing city seperatism. We'd be moving to a city, or several different cities, where we'd still be with individuals of other neurotypes/cultures/languages/and cusines (:cough: RedRobbin).

In regards to the arguement that such an idea would cause more issues for Aspies....TBH, read the "work" thread, I think there's enough issues already.


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27 Mar 2013, 9:39 am

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Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Boston, Vancouver, Toronto, and D.C.


Requirements:

1. ethnic diversity (differences accepted)

2. extensive public transportation (no need to drive)

3. low marriage rates

4. active gay community

5. careers available in creative pursuits, scientific research, technology, and government (public sector is superior to private sector from a discrimination/hiring standpoint)

From a job perspective, I put D.C. on the list simply because of federal employment and disability hiring preference.

These cities would not make the list:

1. NYC/Chicago (too materialistic, too stressful, and too focused on anti-aspie careers like banking)

2. Atlanta/Houston/Dallas/Phoenix (lack of public transportation; too friendly, so aspie coldness not as acceptable as in the PNW, for example)

3. LA (too appearance-oriented, lack of public transport)



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28 Mar 2013, 9:13 am

For any selected location(s), there will have to be a balancing act of the cost of living, and the available income streams.

That may be an issue for some of the proposed locations.


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28 Mar 2013, 10:12 am

AgentPalpatine wrote:
For any selected location(s), there will have to be a balancing act of the cost of living, and the available income streams.

That may be an issue for some of the proposed locations.


True. I think we need to choose a variety. In some cases, an extended metro area might fit the bill. For example, what if we piked Seattle and a smaller town a short drive away?



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28 Mar 2013, 10:27 am

ShelbyGt500 wrote:
AgentPalpatine wrote:
For any selected location(s), there will have to be a balancing act of the cost of living, and the available income streams.

That may be an issue for some of the proposed locations.


True. I think we need to choose a variety. In some cases, an extended metro area might fit the bill. For example, what if we piked Seattle and a smaller town a short drive away?


I don't know Seattle, so I'm not sure how far you need to go to reduce the cost of living. We'd also have to balance against the availability of public and/or low-cost transporation.

I do know my metro area. You would'nt have to go all that far to reduce the cost of living, but the mass transit availability is poor. There's also the income stream issue to think about.


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28 Mar 2013, 10:42 am

ShelbyGt500 wrote:

All of the examples you cite are valid within their context. I am not a relativist. There are certainly general principles to be learned from individual events and arrays of events. That is why I am suggesting that we concentrate ourselves in areas increasing our relative numbers, without creating isolated areas that approximate ghettos or concentration camps. I fully agree that the ghettos of Eastern Europe provided a separatism that spawned a cultural division. And, I further agree the concentration in the ghettos made annihilation convenient. What I'm suggesting is that we choose areas, be they large or small, where we can create cultural change and freely mingle as a full part of those communities. Once we create cultural change in one place, we have an example and a prototype for others. The ultimate goal, which would likely occur long after I'm dead, is that the cultural change would be virtually everywhere. And, for people who are born in areas that are not the SD friendly, they would have plenty of alternatives. If you disagree or have a different perspective, please let me know. Your concerns are certainly worth discussing. Thanks for your comment.


I understand and think it's a good idea. What you are proposing is quite similar to gay people deciding to move to San Francisco. There was pushback and violence (the murder of Harvey Milk, for example) and the fight isn't over (Defense of Marriage Act) but over the decades it became a fairly welcoming place for gay people to live and thrive. It isn't homogenously gay. It isn't a model of either separatism or ghettoization. Instead it's a place where gay people are mopre likely to find acceptance than elsewhere in the US (except other pockets) and where the hetero people most likely to move there are the ones who feel comfortable living alongside out gay people.

Theoretically the same thing could happen with AS people. Some say it has already started in tech pockets like Silicon Valley. The biggest hurdle is choosing places (multiple places in different countries). I don't think it's necessary to have uniform agreement. Gay people didn't take an international poll and then stay where they were until everybody agreed on San Francisco. It happened through slow and organic accumulation as it may be happening in Silicon Valley for those who can get jobs there. Maybe it can happen in other small pockets too. Several suggestions have been made.



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28 Mar 2013, 10:45 am

Tyri0n wrote:
Requirements:

1. ethnic diversity (differences accepted)

2. extensive public transportation (no need to drive)

3. low marriage rates

4. active gay community


This list is not representative of the typical aspie.

As for #3 and #4, why would you embrace societal rot?



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28 Mar 2013, 11:18 am

Trying to stop thread derailment...

I respectfully question the "Silicon Valley" arguement. While there is no single measure of what is "silicon valley", it would be reasonable to say that it has some of the higher cost of living in the United States. Expecting Aspies to just....drift there, at the same time that we have so many members who have suffered adverse selection in the employement market, is, IMHO, not a reasonable expectation.

Some of our members who have lived there indicate there are other problems. I am also aware that there are structural financial issues with the surrounding governements that may hurt the choice of Silicon Valley as a location.


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