Unemotionals
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18 May 2013, 11:03 pm
marshall wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
marshall wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
marshall wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
I think that my hypoemo is like reduced frequency of emotions, not reduced intensity of emotions when I feel them.
Also, since I am socially hyposensitive, there is no social brain function in my head to create emotions in response to social things, e.g. social actions of other people or eye contact.
Much of the hypoemo probably is result of hyposocial.
Also, since I am socially hyposensitive, there is no social brain function in my head to create emotions in response to social things, e.g. social actions of other people or eye contact.
Much of the hypoemo probably is result of hyposocial.
Well, it seems like the two don't always go together. I'm hyposocial but hyperemotional. I can definitely see things from both sides and get in the heads of other hyperemotional people, but have trouble acting out and doing/saying what is wanted/needed. It's like there's an invisible wall blocking my sympathy from coming out of my head and translating into social gestures. It's like being trapped in a shell.
Are you socially hyposensitive, like you have no internal reaction to social behaviors of others and are unaware that anything with social meaning occurred?
I'm hyposensitive emotionally in social interaction which leads to me getting bored and withdrawn when nothing I'm interested in is being discussed. I'm not hyposensitive cognitively though. If I'm paying attention I'm usually aware, sometimes more so than male NTs. I don't think I'm totally being delusional in thinking I have some strongly empathic traits, depending on the exact situation. Maybe I was unaware at one time very early in my life but I seem to have outgrown it.
Oh I see, emotional hypo + cognitive aware?
I am emotional hypo + cognitive unaware.
Are there people who are cognitive unaware + emotional hyper? That seems like the kind of thing that intense world is talking about.
Well, actually it's more complicated than that. I'm not hypoemotional at all on the inside. It's more like there's an invisible barrier holding me back from expressing myself and it's only half due to anxiety. Around people I feel very stilted, bored, and awkward, constantly lost in my own thoughts, and unable to concentrate on being social. It's like I can't shut my brain off enough to be warm or try to connect. On the outside I'm a total space cadet. On the inside I'm hyperemotional and yearn connection. Also, I only have the cognitive empathic ability when I'm paying attention and not overwhelmed, which is probably less than 1% of the time in real life. The intense world theory definitely describes me better than hypo-emotional + unaware.
What is the nature of the barrier? Like you are focused on your thoughts and find it hard to unfocus from those to eggspress what you want to eggspress to others? So the things that you want to eggspress, are they deprioritized by other thoughts when you are in a social situation?
I am different from what you describe, because I don't have the barrier. It's more like I don't eggspress as much because I don't have as much to eggspress. And also lack of communication not as a wall-like barrier, but more like river that I don't remember to try to cross. This applies for emotions and also other communications, like communication is the last thing that comes to mind and of lowest priority in my mind, automatically. So the really effortful part is remembering to output what is in my mind, and that eggsplains eggsacly why I outputted so little when I was a kid.
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18 May 2013, 11:11 pm
VisInsita wrote:
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Are there people who are cognitive unaware + emotional hyper? That seems like the kind of thing that intense world is talking about.
I am definitely emotional and oversensitive rather than unemotional, but I have difficulties in understanding, interpreting and expressing socially derived emotions.
In the Intense World Theory they suggest that the hypothesized underlying mechanism in autism (hypersensitive brain) causes the autistic person to become seemingly emotionally and socially isolated. The deficits in autism are seen in this theory as a sort of a coping mechanism.
I personally feel it is difficult to know which comes first. Is the isolation and withdrawal from the social and emotional primary or is it the social deficit, which then secondarily leads to isolation? The Intense World Theory sees the seeming isolation as an escape from the intensity of the experience and hypothesizes that this process then leads to visible social deficits. Some other theories on the other hand suggest that the social deficit is primary (e.g. mirror neuron theories).
I think that the logic behind the Intense World Theory seems plausible for the sole reason that many autistic persons already have “proven” hypersensitivities in the sensory domain. And to which sort of a behavior it often leads? - Similarly to avoidance by all means.
My mind turns often automatically away from people to things and to my own inner sceneries. Without the conscious effort to look like I am there and “aware” I’d be happily staring the pattern in the asphalt or the lines in the ceiling. But why is it so? There’s the unanswered question.
My brain also makes my eyes stare at these kinds of things, like the little holes in the wall panels of the lecture hall, and I like looking at these things. During social interaction, I am often visually inspecting something intensely, like I am relieving the boredom of the interaction with this inspection. Social things are very boring to me, like very unstimulating, so I have to do some stimulating activities during them.
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19 May 2013, 11:16 am
btbnnyr wrote:
marshall wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
marshall wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
marshall wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
I think that my hypoemo is like reduced frequency of emotions, not reduced intensity of emotions when I feel them.
Also, since I am socially hyposensitive, there is no social brain function in my head to create emotions in response to social things, e.g. social actions of other people or eye contact.
Much of the hypoemo probably is result of hyposocial.
Also, since I am socially hyposensitive, there is no social brain function in my head to create emotions in response to social things, e.g. social actions of other people or eye contact.
Much of the hypoemo probably is result of hyposocial.
Well, it seems like the two don't always go together. I'm hyposocial but hyperemotional. I can definitely see things from both sides and get in the heads of other hyperemotional people, but have trouble acting out and doing/saying what is wanted/needed. It's like there's an invisible wall blocking my sympathy from coming out of my head and translating into social gestures. It's like being trapped in a shell.
Are you socially hyposensitive, like you have no internal reaction to social behaviors of others and are unaware that anything with social meaning occurred?
I'm hyposensitive emotionally in social interaction which leads to me getting bored and withdrawn when nothing I'm interested in is being discussed. I'm not hyposensitive cognitively though. If I'm paying attention I'm usually aware, sometimes more so than male NTs. I don't think I'm totally being delusional in thinking I have some strongly empathic traits, depending on the exact situation. Maybe I was unaware at one time very early in my life but I seem to have outgrown it.
Oh I see, emotional hypo + cognitive aware?
I am emotional hypo + cognitive unaware.
Are there people who are cognitive unaware + emotional hyper? That seems like the kind of thing that intense world is talking about.
Well, actually it's more complicated than that. I'm not hypoemotional at all on the inside. It's more like there's an invisible barrier holding me back from expressing myself and it's only half due to anxiety. Around people I feel very stilted, bored, and awkward, constantly lost in my own thoughts, and unable to concentrate on being social. It's like I can't shut my brain off enough to be warm or try to connect. On the outside I'm a total space cadet. On the inside I'm hyperemotional and yearn connection. Also, I only have the cognitive empathic ability when I'm paying attention and not overwhelmed, which is probably less than 1% of the time in real life. The intense world theory definitely describes me better than hypo-emotional + unaware.
What is the nature of the barrier? Like you are focused on your thoughts and find it hard to unfocus from those to eggspress what you want to eggspress to others? So the things that you want to eggspress, are they deprioritized by other thoughts when you are in a social situation?
I am different from what you describe, because I don't have the barrier. It's more like I don't eggspress as much because I don't have as much to eggspress. And also lack of communication not as a wall-like barrier, but more like river that I don't remember to try to cross. This applies for emotions and also other communications, like communication is the last thing that comes to mind and of lowest priority in my mind, automatically. So the really effortful part is remembering to output what is in my mind, and that eggsplains eggsacly why I outputted so little when I was a kid.
I think what's going on is lack of ability to quickly switch between internal thoughts and outward communication. I either have too little to say or too much to say. Too little when I'm bored, too much and unable to prioritize when I'm interested. In group setting I'm quiet most of the time but occasionally I begin to ramble on too long when I finally get an opportunity. It feels like a constant fight to get out what I want to say and I'm so super-concerned in making sure that my point will be understood in the way I understand it that I'm forced to give too much detail. The fewer people the better I can combat the urge to ramble on because I'm more relaxed and not feeling like I have to fight to express myself without getting interrupted and bowled over by others.
I also have the delay between the time I think of something and the time I get to actually say it and feel like I can't hold on to it long enough because my mind wants to keep right on going.
