90% aspies have normal intelligence despite what they think

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They're talking about schizophrenia, which has several possible expressions. Drug induced psychosis isn't schizophrenia, can be transient, and doesn't necessarily reflect IQ skill scatter.

These examples are completely irrelevant. Also, I think most people don't understand statistics but they think they do (Dunning-Kruger). Personal perceptions of attractiveness is not a matter of competence. People believe a lot of wrong things about obesity, diet, and exercise (also Dunning-Kruger) and thus blame people for being fat without ever knowing why said people are fat (which is just more Dunning-Kruger)..

My full-scale IQ was inconclusive too, unreliable because of too much variability in the sub-test scores. I got a VIQ and PIQ score and a whole lot of sub-test scores. There were 45 points between my VIQ and PIQ and only 1% of people show that much of a discrepancy, my report said.

From what I have seen so far peoples of "gifted" IQ tend to underestimate their intelligence, as what is difficult for most just come easilly to them and they don't notice it.


I tend to think you're above average. Possible that you have learning difficulties though.

Heh.

Don't feel bad. I had a 52 point gap between my VRI and my PRI (verbal: 141, visual: 79).

Weird brains unite!!

For people with high verbal fluency, do you naturally have it from young age, or did you develop it as adult?

I don't know how interested you are in this topic. The link I am about to give you goes way beyond the scope of this thread. I would encourage anyone that wants to know how IQ tests are really used to read the entire article. There are also many many links in the article to other studies that are incredibly interesting. Of particular note in the study are the extremely low PSI scores, and in particular the coding subtest. 55% (!) Of the subjects were one standard deviation below the norm on PSI and over 14% were two standard deviations below the norm. If you were to do a search of coding subtest scores on wrong planet I think what you find that people have posted would corroborate these numbers. If you look at table 2 you will see that a smaller but still significant weakness in symbol search somewhat mitigates the incredibly high 21.4% that were two or more standard deviations below the norm on the coding subtest. But still 14% is huge when you consider that it should be roughly 2% on a normal curve. As this study indicated that FSIQ scores for the ASD group were relatively normal, which means that other subtest scores had to make up for the deficits. Thus you can see, without having to dig too deep into the data, that there are large peaks and valleys that are not found within the "normal" population. And here is the nature of ASD that we appear normal or intelligent because of the peaks, but those peaks don't overcome the valleys in terms of overall functioning.

Anyway, I know I'm sinking into rant mode, so I'm just going to shut up now. I will say that I have a tendency to become obsessed with certain things. I was obsessed with how IQ tests work for over a year. All that I have read on the subject in the last couple of years, I still have to say that FSIQ is an almost useless number and it is almost comical how it is used in these forums. So now I leave you with the link and the conclusion.

By the way, I've been gone for a long time, it's good to see you again.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3448485/




PS sorry if my grammar seems a little weird, I'm using Dragon NaturallySpeaking and apparently I don't speak naturally.

PPS. ooops, let me tie this up with how it relates to the thread. My point is that 90% of people with ASD don't have normal intelligence because it can't be measured by normal tests. Someone on this forum, and I apologize for not remembering who you are right now, has a quote of Albert Einstein saying something like "if you test a fish for climbing it will look really stupid". Similarly, if you test the ASD person on processing speed, as measured on a normal IQ test, they will look really stupid. However, if you measure them on visual processing speed, as mentioned in this article and others, where they ASD group performs at a level of "normal" subjects who are 25 FS IQ points above them, the ASD person starts to look pretty smart.

Is it possible to have above average intelligence and have no ability to function in society though? And sometimes I really don't get things and feel my cognative abilities are impaired not always but i get that feeling a lot. Especially if I spend like 30 minutes in walmart or target or any of those I seriously become brain dead and confused grocery stores aren't much better either.

I think it's developed from a young age for most people. I have no idea when I started to talk, but I know I started to read when I was four years old. I think it's common for people with NVLD to learn to read even younger.

I had good verbal skills and probably verbal fluency from a very young age. Apparently I would go around reciting the books my mum read to me at a very young age and I spoke like a little adult in fully formed sentences. When I was around 4 my dad would teach me long words and words or names that were hard to pronounce like Massachusetts and would buy me stuffed monkeys when I got them right (I collected stuffed toy monkeys at the time).

The difference between PSI measure that ASD scored low on and inspection time measure that ASD scored normal or high on was the motor demand.

I was reading at the age of 5, and not just sounding out the words I actually read and understood what I was reading. But I never have been able to read out loud very well.

Of course this is possible! I would say there is a lot of peoples on WP that have difficulties to function while still having average or above average intelligence.

My biggest issue seems to be that I don't have much concentration for things outside of my own impetus. Does that make sense?

I skim read, and I have this thing where when I'm reading my eyes drift off, and I zone out for a protracted period of time. This is then punctuated by hand-flapping and rocking. As a result I can never concentrate on anything too long.

But if it's an obsession I can. But my obsessions are useless. Really I need better concentration for things like writing assignments. IQ-wise I wouldn't be surprised if my IQ is quite low. I remember once taking a test, and I did bad in most things, except general trivia.

I always figured people saying those with Asperger's are "highly intelligent" has less to do with naturally being intelligent and more so to do with people with Asperger's simply being more obssessed/interested in certain subjects and since they are usually less social spend an inordinate amount of time knowing lots of facts/figures etc. that NT people generally don't. And I say that as someone who thinks I may have Asperger's.

The visual processing tests that I came up with based on my default setting, most people around me fail miserably (while being verry merry berry smart people likely with high IQs).