Autism And The Lost Plane

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29 Mar 2014, 10:09 pm

Little Bee, you are a very interesting person. Unfortunately my recovering brain isn't able to process much of what you say today. I hope it'll be better soon.

I'm focused on this news story because I'm catching my first plane in July, and despite being completely anxious about this trip before I heard about the plane going missing, I'm actually intrigued and imagining that it could happen to me. It's also close to home because they are looking for wreckage near Perth. Even though I live in NSW.
I'm even getting a bit excited about catching a plane now.

I think I'm also interested in what possible technology could help them find the wreckage. I mean, if this happened on Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D finding the wreckage would take 10 minutes. It's kind of crossing my fantasy life and reality together. In my mind is a sci-fi world where advanced technology is commonplace so it's surprising to me that the plane still isn't found. My first theory when first hearing the plane was missing was it was in The Bermuda Triangle - meaning the area with high magnetism that messes with pilot's compasses - then again...avionics. But ti was no where near The Bermuda Triangle.

Anyway, I'm probably way off. I like to hear other peoples theories about it so I'll be back when I have a higher ability to focus.

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29 Mar 2014, 10:24 pm

littlebee wrote:

Re in your message when you said it is weird, what did you mean? What is weird? My thinking? ?? Well we know that:-) or at least according to group consensus....

I was thinking of the obsession with finding that one shiny thing. Now that I read your full post, it looks like you suggested a sort of group-effect magnifying the importance to it. That's kind of what I was getting at, but not very elegantly or completely.

BTW - I was reading a book a while ago that covered the development of modern structural analysis. Robert Hook's initial description of the elastic behavior of solids ("Hook's Law") was a lot harder to understand than what you wrote

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29 Mar 2014, 10:35 pm

How has the search become "magnified" in importance?

Its importance is large to begin with.

Here in DC the plane competes for headline space with the police search for a single lost little girl who probably had some unspeakably bad fate.

Is the search for that little girl a 'symbol' for some missing faculty of your mind as well?

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29 Mar 2014, 10:36 pm

I see you edited the incompete message so I will respond to the parts I missed by inserting in bold...

naturalplastic wrote:

you're were supposed to make things more clear. Not more opaque for us.

Well just beat me with a horse whip...(horse could mean time...hour, horus) I am not in the same time as you so maybe I should get beat for it...

There are rational reasons that this plane disappearence is newsworthy- it impacts technology, politics, geopolitics, economics, and the lives of 230 people.

Answered this in prev message...of course its newsworthy....

Its not just some game. The search does not "represent" anything.

Actually, it probably does represent something on an unconscious level to many people, but the representation I gave to it I just attributed for the purpose of presenting some ideas....when I was watching it I wasn't thinking of any of that stuff...and was just simply interested in the literal incident...and probably as interested as the next person...

I myself listen for the latest about it when I turn on the news. Maybe you (the OP) are bored by it. But Im not. And obviously the newsmedia gets an audience for the story- so Im not the only one eager for the latest about it.

Again, I never said it was boring....you can read my prev message...

So that excerpt from your "explanatory message" about how the search "represents searching for food...searching for parts of themselves" is nonsense. And even if it werent crap-what does any of it have to do with autism?

I said: "I think searching for this plane is akin to group foraging for food." Was just setting that up to make an analogy. I was saying it could be looked at as similar to that. The same energetic quality.

Okay...

Let me rephrase this:

(a) You dont understand us "normal" people- the millions who tune in to CNN to find out about the latest on the dissappeared plane.

Yeah I do. I was doing it too, just like everyone else....just got a little tired of it after three weeks. You're trying to make me differnt, right???---which I fully acknowledge I am, but I still watch CNN just like everyone else and probably even more than most people....;

(b) We normal consumers of the newsmedia are infact SO wierd to you that our fascination with the plane is ittself a curiosity to you.

It seems like you're working against me, but actually I think you might be in some odd way you seem to be helping me to make some kind of point...

(c) So you jump to the conclusion that it is all about some irrational symbolism on our part.

No, it's not about that. It is my own subjective interpretation for the purpose of looking at things from a sociological/brain function perspective which I think will bring us to a better understanding of autism....

Therefore its symbolism of ...what? That everyone on the planet is autistic and looking for the missing piece of their own mind? But you're the one who is autistic. And you're the odd person who doesnt care about the newstory. Presumably its NTs who run the newsmedia, and the search efforts, and everything. So what does this search for the plane have to do with autism?

Symbolism can mean different things to different people. I was just suggesting to use it this incident as an analogy to try to look at brain function, but nobody has to do it. Just sharing my way of understanding something a little bit better. It doesn't mean that my interpretation is literally true or even that good an interpretation, but like Marybird wrote on another thread, one picture is worth a thousand words. I was just making a kind of rough picture by analogy and using that to try to look at autism. Sometimes doing that can help to see things from a different perspective. And it must be stated that sometimes it is not appropriate to say certain things directly, even if a person can, but better for all concerned to just point at them, and for all you know I may be capable of speaking much more directly than you realize, but just because I can does not mean I should.

Your last question about what the search for the plane has to do with autism I will answer later, but for now, it has literally nothing to do with autism, but is just a possible device to look at autism.

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29 Mar 2014, 10:58 pm

Now you're contradicting yourself- you say you were not bored, but then you say that you got "tired of it after three weeks". Which is it? Bored or not?

The very first response to your op was when I asked you to "just state whats on your mind" and not to be coy with this convaluted nonsense.

And you responded by saying that you had nothing up your sleave to say.
But now you're stating that you DO have something up your sleave.

Being direct CANT be worse than this tack you're using. So just be direct.

Ill take my own advice and be direct and say- that -forget this plane. Its not socially, nor philosophically, acceptable to u There are popular mythic stories, both ancient, and modern, about people on quests to find lost things (treasure, the holy grail, the maltese falcon). And you

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29 Mar 2014, 10:59 pm

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littlebee wrote:

Re in your message when you said it is weird, what did you mean? What is weird? My thinking? ?? Well we know that:-) or at least according to group consensus....

I'm kind of on the verge of presenting a simple sociobiological theory of autism that will explain many things and basically blow people's socks off in its pure simplicity, and thanks to people for putting up with me. This is a great forum and I appreciate people's forbearance and the work of the moderators, and I believe it is Work.. Already this theory is kind of touched on in what I have written in that quoted message. I know nothing about Hook;s Law though will research it, but what I presented today is the making of a very tentative rough sketch about my theory. I would like to say that you never know who you are going to get an idea from that might be world changing. It can come from the strangest place, For instance a little child could say something and suddenly you have your theory....the one missing piece, or maybe you already had the piece and you didn't know it. Did you read what I wrote on another thread about Einstein? He had the proof for his relativity theory but didn't realize he had it. I will put it out here tomorrow...not that I have any proof for my theory....just winging it...

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29 Mar 2014, 11:05 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

The very first response to your op was when I asked you to "just state whats on your mind" and not to be coy with this convaluted nonsense.

Um...you're talking to an old woman who's brain damaged......

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29 Mar 2014, 11:10 pm

littlebee wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

The very first response to your op was when I asked you to "just state whats on your mind" and not to be coy with this convaluted nonsense.

Um...you're talking to an old woman who's brain damaged......

If you know you are brain damaged and it impairs your ability to make sense, why do you keep going on? Everyone of us here has to deal with trying to be clear despite our difficulties with our brains. It's no excuse.

Also, for somebody who spent months on a thread whining that people were using a card, you really pull those Autism and Brain Damage excuses out a lot. If you want to tell everyone they can change their brain, you should start with your own.

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29 Mar 2014, 11:18 pm

On two points you're contradicting yourself.

One: You deny saying you were "bored" by the story. But then you say "after three weeks you got tired of it". So which is it? Were you bored, or not?

Two:In the very first response to your OP I asked you to not be coy and just "say whats on your mind". You responded that you had nothing up your sleave to say.

But now you contradict that and state thay you DO have some theory up your sleave that you have been being coy about all along!

This is all been a game to pave the way to some point you're about to make. Since this preamble obviously didnt work- you might as well be direct. So what is this connection to autism you hiding up your sleave? Just spit it out now.

DAMN!

I keep getting double posted!
And the message came up that the first one did NOT go through!

Sorry!

I repeated and partially rewrote the same message. So thats why I have two similiar but not identical posts!

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29 Mar 2014, 11:18 pm

wozeree wrote:

littlebee wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

The very first response to your op was when I asked you to "just state whats on your mind" and not to be coy with this convaluted nonsense.

Um...you're talking to an old woman who's brain damaged......

Ezactly...twas playing the brain damage card:-).....and see what crawled out from under the rocks.....

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29 Mar 2014, 11:26 pm

littlebee wrote:

wozeree wrote:

littlebee wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

The very first response to your op was when I asked you to "just state whats on your mind" and not to be coy with this convaluted nonsense.

Um...you're talking to an old woman who's brain damaged......

Ezactly...twas playing the brain damage card:-).....and see what crawled out from under the rocks.....

Too bad I'm not a 15 yo kid, you could really have a go at me.

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29 Mar 2014, 11:26 pm

littlebee wrote:

wozeree wrote:

littlebee wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

The very first response to your op was when I asked you to "just state whats on your mind" and not to be coy with this convaluted nonsense.

Um...you're talking to an old woman who's brain damaged......

Ezactly...twas playing the brain damage card:-).....and see what crawled out from under the rocks.....

Dafuq??!

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29 Mar 2014, 11:28 pm

Okay.

Ill help you out.

Forget the plane. Thats a real tragedy in the news.

Dont use that as an example. Too emotional and confusing to use as an example.

But there are mythic stories about heroes seeking lost things- both ancient and modern- Knights of the holy grail- the wizard of oz-star wars.

Lost treasure, ruby slippers, the holy grail, maltese falcons.

Its fairgame to say that those sorts of stories are 'symbolic' of a human need to seek something. Maybe something missing from your own self.

Lets just go with THAT notion.

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30 Mar 2014, 12:05 am

naturalplastic wrote:

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What has the (excellent) series Dexter got to do with the Malaysian lost/crashed plane?

Nothing.
I believe that was her point. Its an escape from the repetiveness of CNN.

I think she may have done it to catch our attention. I know of a member here that used to do that. Deliberately post titles and then talk about something else in his OP. But after a while we all know it's not really what the thread is about because of crying wolf so many times. But even some people do that too with headlines for articles to catch peoples attention.

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30 Mar 2014, 4:45 am

littlebee wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

The very first response to your op was when I asked you to "just state whats on your mind" and not to be coy with this convaluted nonsense.

Um...you're talking to an old woman who's brain damaged......

It is maybe inappropriate to ask, but are you really brain damaged?

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30 Mar 2014, 8:27 am

It should be remembered that, until the 1970's, many people now on the Autistic Spectrum would have been diagnosed as "Brain-Damaged" or having "Minimal Brain Dysfunction."

In other words, people with Asperger's or HFA would have been referred to as "Brain-Damaged," without evidence of any "damage." Perhaps she's using the terminology in that way?

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