people too quick to medicate

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To Penseive, I want to go back to some of the specifics in messages including yours when I have more time, but this is just a general message now. Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I think writing can help. If you knew the effect your messages I just now read on the faith thread have had on me, you would be amazed. I think communication and speech can open people and touch their hearts, and writing can open oneself to oneself, too. The way other people understand (or not not always understand) and the motivation with which one writes can kind of creates a world, and then one can think back about what it means to oneself and how to respond to it all so that other people will understand. Understanding can be a miracle, and that thinking back and forth can create a more stable environment which begins to make sense that is not just in ones own mind but is making a new ground between oneself and other people. It is hard sometimes to find ones inner integrity and not not get confused, but if one can find this simple true place of being oneself and communicate from out of that and then interconnect it with other people it can even function like a kind of church. People can find solace and genuine encouragement there. I have been not so good at this, as evidenced by some peoples reactions to me, but I am thinking I should put my focus more in the direction of making a dedication.

Words can be used to affect transformation, but they can also create an institution, be it a church with rigid ideas or the kind of mental hospital that imprisons people. What is interesting to me after reading some of the messages on this thread is what medicine can represent. How other people understand or do not understand "medicine" and what it can mean or not mean can be either a bridge or a barrier between oneself and other people. "Doctor" can be another word like this or even "God." When God becomes a word is not the same as "in the beginning was the word and the word was God....." To me they are talking about a vibration. Of course people will try to turn God into a fixed concept, as they do this with anything. Therefore ultimately the representation has to be incorporated. I think when a person lives life consciously without getting caught up in it and identified, then daily experience, no matter how difficult, can becomes ones medicine, People can help each learn to use life in that way, so communication itself can even begin to function as a kind of medicine.

I find your message and Sweetleaf's messages, also, very inspirational, as though you may have have had or are having some experiences with medicine, it seems to me you trying to consciously use your experience, each in your own unique way, and not just counting on the outer world to transform your minds. I think speech can become connected to touch and it is amazing the miracles that come from the healing salve of touch.

This is not to say that any person here should not take the other kind of medicine, but I suggest to think twice about taking it.

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Yes, this is the problem. No one can write a medical prescription for a pill that will change external circumstances or the way other people act, but it IS possible to set up conditions that will help people develop faith in their own inner capacity and by practice to become more able.

Imo, maybe so, but maybe not. For instance, sometimes if a person takes a pill, he will not try to find other resources that may actually be available, such as joining a spiritual group or a group like Alanon...a program for family members of alcoholics, or changing ones diet and/or developing a special interest like taking a martial arts class or writing or anything. Some people may not be able to do that, but some can who do not do so because they are just given a pill. This subject is actually more complex then I have made it, but this is just a starter.

One problem is these drugs are even misrepresented to doctors. The pharmaceutical companies are out and out experts at doing this, not just with doctors but the the FDA, and many doctors misrepresent these drugs to their patients.....either they don't know or they don't really care. Some doctors tend to see their patients as objects.

I agree that learning effective coping strategies is good, but I don't think this enables recovery from severe depression.


I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here, but I think I disagree with the sentiment that faith in yourself can cure medical ailments. This sounds like the practice of using prayer to treat a fever.

Ann, an example of what I meant would be starting centers where teenagers who are depressed can associate with others like themselves and do hands on activities such as crafts or cooking or even group discussions led by psychologists on teen problems. I was talking about people doing something to help other people, and of course if a depressed teenager participated in initiating such a project, it would also help him.

And point acknowledged that for one depressed teenager and/or autistic person living in a dysfunctional family in small town x or just about anywhere, this possibility does not at present exist, which is very sad. Imo this is one reason people should not come down quite so hard on organizations such as Autism Speaks which organization is not perfect but these people are doing the best they can to really DO something to try to help people and not just talk about it and/or oppose other organizations, not to suggest that speech cannot effect action or that I agree with certain aspects of their approach or all or even most of their ideas about autism or that people should not try to change that approach if they disagree with it.

I've always though therapeutic animal exposure is a good way to reach someone. Animals can sometimes break through.