Have you ever met a schizophrenic person?
My father was waiting to be called for a job. It took six months before he got the job, which he spent simply waiting. I think that was the reason why he started hearing people calling his name.
As for me,I've seen a few at the place that I go for psychotherapy.
-SpaceCase
Hi spacecase, i am new to the site today, I have met a few people with schzophrenia. some other mental health problems also show the behaviours of this but are not necceraly schizophrenic
My aunt is schizo and she is unable to function in the real world. She thinks she is married to her 4th husband and has 8 kids instead of two. She has only been married once. She also lives in a group home and has three grand kids.
I met a guy off of myspace and I learned he had schizophrenia because he told me but he wouldn't say how it effects him and what kind he has. He seemed normal to me because I didn't see any signs. I only saw him twice.
Only one. She is a wonderful person. She takes her medication regularly however. The closest I ever saw to anything was some mild paranoia about what I might have been saying about her expressed in an email. She is generally just really shy.
I have had a psychotic episode in earlier times with some similar features to schizophrenia (obviously this is completely separate from my lifelong rather than episodic Asperger's as you all know, unless it is what they mean by a comorbidity).
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You are like children playing in the market-place saying, "We piped for you and you would not dance, we wailed a dirge for you and you would not weep."
Remnant: I have read claims that folic acid is good for treating schizophrenia, have to use at least a 5 mg dose, and niacin is also good. These two things should be tried before any medication.
Not long ago I put a post together on the presumed causes of schizophrenia and it was a bit of a laugh really, because if you start looking for causes, you're going to find that damned near everything under the sun can be linked to schizophrenia -- in fact, the current theory being proposed by E. Fuller Torrey (author of "Surviving Schizophrenia") is that "cat poop" is the culprit. Anyway, one of the causes listed is niacin deficiency and apparently, there has been some success with this form of treatment. Personally I'm very much in favor with starting with the least invasive forms of treatment and working one's way up as necessary.
I'm also more than a little concerned about the links that are implied between some studies and chronicity, i.e.
"On the other hand," Mosher continues, "there are studies that have shown that people treated with neuroleptics have changes in brain structure that are at least associated with drug treatment, dosage, and duration -- and have been shown to increase over time as drugs are given." He cites one "horrific study" of children between the ages of 10 and 15 in which the researchers measured the volumes of the kids' cortexes. "The cortex is what you think with, the part on the outside," Mosher explains. Over time, "They watched the cortical volume of these young people decline, while the cortical volume of the nonschizophrenic controls was expanding because they were adolescents and still growing." The researcher concluded that their schizophrenia had caused the decrease in the subjects. "And yet every single one was taking neuroleptic drugs," Mosher says.
-- Dr. Loren Mosher
See also: Still Crazy After All These Years
He said, "I absolutely believed the common wisdom that these antipsychotic drugs actually had improved things and that they had totally revolutionized how we treated schizophrenia. People used to be locked away forever, and now maybe things weren't great, but they were a lot better. It was a story of progress."
That story of progress was fraudulent, as Whitaker soon found out when he gained new insight from his research into torturous psychiatric practices such as electroshock, lobotomy, insulin coma, and neuroleptic drugs. Psychiatrists told the public that these techniques "cured" psychosis or balanced the chemistry of the brain.
But, in reality, the common thread in all these different treatments was the attempt to suppress "mental illness" by deliberately damaging the higher functions of the brain. The stunning truth is that, behind closed doors, the psychiatric establishment itself labeled these treatments as "brain-damaging therapeutics."
The first generation of antipsychotic drugs created a drug-induced brain pathology by blocking the neurotransmitter dopamine and essentially shutting down many higher brain functions. In fact, when antipsychotics such as Thorazine and Haldol were first introduced, psychiatrists themselves said that these neuroleptic drugs were virtually indistinguishable from a "chemical lobotomy."
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Antipsychotic drugs may cause diabetes, but the FDA still allows their sale. Here's just one real powerful study on this: Researchers with the University of Pittsburgh in the 1990s took people newly diagnosed with schizophrenia, and they started taking MRI pictures of the brains of these people. So we get a picture of their brains at the moment of diagnosis, and then we prepare pictures over the next 18 months to see how those brains change. Now during this 18 months, they are being prescribed antipsychotic medications, and what did the researchers report? They reported that, over this 18-month period, the drugs caused an enlargement of the basal ganglia, an area of the brain that uses dopamine. In other words, it creates a visible change in morphology, a change in the size of an area of the brain, and that's abnormal. That's number one. So we have an antipsychotic drug causing an abnormality in the brain.
Now here's the kicker. They found that as that enlargement occurred, it was associated with a worsening of the psychotic symptoms, a worsening of negative symptoms. So here you actually have, with modern technology, a very powerful study. By imaging the brain, we see how an outside agent comes in, disrupts normal chemistry, causes an abnormal enlargement of the basal ganglia, and that enlargement causes a worsening of the very symptoms it's supposed to treat. Now that's actually, in essence, a story of a disease process -- an outside agent causes abnormality, causes symptoms...
-- Robert Whitaker
See also: Mad in America
Those World Health Studies do concern me -- why do we have so many more people recovering in cultures and settings that don't use drugs? I remain of the opinion that although drugs are helpful to a number of individuals the goal should be short-term dependance. We know that with long-term dependance, neurological or physiological dysfunction is bound to erupt, perhaps in the form of tardive dykinethesia, diabetes, tumor or stroke.
What's most disturbing to me is that these drugs are being used almost routinely with children and young people, i.e., this recent case in which a child was diagnosed with bipolar disorder at the age of 2 and 1/2. That little girl died just a few weeks ago at the age of four due to an overdose. According to news reports her parents deliberately gave her too many drugs -- I don't know if that's true or not but I do wonder where the medical and pharmaceutical corporations hold any responsibility. How many other children are out there, being doped up on drugs to control their behavior. Those are mean streets when "the terrible twos" can be interpreted as a neurological disorder requiring treatment with drugs that can kill.
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As for me,I've seen a few at the place that I go for psychotherapy.
-SpaceCase
Until yesterday,a paranoid scizophrenic man lived at the place am at,he shouldnt have even been living here because he is completely different compared to people with learning disabilities and autism,he used to bully another guy who used to live here who is Autistic and MR and doesn't have proper verbal skills,he would slap him in the head and the autie would never hit back at anyone- he instead bite all the skin of his own arms and knuckles,and was only able to say "ouch" whilst slapping his head to show staff he'd been hit.
The scizophrenic when his medication wasnt fully working,would shout abuse all the time,he threatened to kill me on many occasions,but as he never tried to so thought it might have been the voice in him saying he should be killed,who knows.
He also stared at me everytime me was in same room as him,he tried to pin me in the larder once,but pushed him back.
He tried to molest me that many times and any other younger females about,he also stole a box of maltesers from my room the other day that were a birthday present from my key worker and he ate them all.
He thinks he's hitler a lot.
But,used to go to college with a scizophrenic who also had learning disabilities and he was very nice to know, his scizophrenia had been more severe as he lived in a pysch hospital but was allowed out for college.
I'm not sure if my approach with my cousin was an "approved" way of interacting with a schizophrenic.
When he, quite regularly, drifted off into non-real descriptions such as the "transporting himself to the spirit world", I would just quietly refuse to go along with him.
That doesn't mean I'd deny that he was experiencing something. I'd just make it clear to him that I didn't think his view of the world was as accurate as he thought.
This isn't coming out very clearly.
Your friend, who could transport himself to the "spirit world"... I'm assuming it was clear that he believed that. I.e he wasn't making it up, to impress you or anyone else. He truly meant it when he said it.
My reaction would not be to deny to him the reality of his experience, to himself. It would be to discuss it with him, explaining how I did not believe that such things were real. It is hard to stay with someone when they are away in a realm that you know nothing of.
Sadly, by stopping talking to him, you may have removed one of the few anchor points his mind had. A pity, but like I said, it is in no way easy to work with a schizophrenic. I know I "lost it" a few times, over the years, with my cousin. Strangely, he respected me for those occasions, more than I respected myself.
I would have continued beyond that point, I believe.
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You are like children playing in the market-place saying, "We piped for you and you would not dance, we wailed a dirge for you and you would not weep."
Lau: Your friend, who could transport himself to the "spirit world"... I'm assuming it was clear that he believed that. I.e he wasn't making it up, to impress you or anyone else. He truly meant it when he said it.
What we call schizophrenic is, as Joseph Campbell has discussed, called (positively) visionary or mystical in shamanic cultures, hence is valued, not feared or sedated with chemicals. As he clarifies in the well-known [1988] TV series, "The Power of Myth"... 'The shaman is the person, male or female, who . . . has an overwhelming psychological experience that turns him totally inward. It's a kind of schizophrenic crack-up. The whole unconscious opens up, and the shaman falls into it. This shaman experience has been described many, many times. It occurs all the way from Siberia right through the Americas down to Tierra del Fuego.' ...
The path is always lonely and demanding for those called to shamanism, and doubly so for those who must contend with Western culture's refusal to accept the overwhelming reality of the disturbing realms of vision and torment in which these potential shamans dwell. Along with having to endure the loss of ego stability, hence the frightening blurring of outer and inner realites, sufferers of schizophrenia are often forced to contend with psychiatric notions, ruled by the Apollonian myth of reason, monotheism and normality, which demand that such "deviant" Dionysian states be subdued with medication, or punished with incarceration in mental institutions.
The schizophrenic's reason and senses, like those of the shaman during initiation, are assaulted by concrete revelations of the heights and depths of the vast Otherworlds of the collective unconscious. Simultaneously, the schizophrenic is forced to slot into the sometimes petty humdrum and routine of daily existence. The invasion of the ego by archetypal forces transforms the individual profoundly and irreversibly; no-one who has endured such a crisis can confine the expanded horizons of their consciousness to the tame boundaries of cultural norms.
Source: Embracing the Fragmented Self - Shamanic Explorations of the Sacred in Schizophrenia & Soul Loss
See also:
- Non-Ordinary States of Consciousness in Healing and Health [PDF File]
- Transpersonal States of Consciousness
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I believe you missed my point, entirely.
I was checking that there had not been some misunderstanding going on. One way to drive away another person is to freak them out.
I have close to zero tolerance for most "shaman" ideas.
We have minds. Strange things go on in them. There is no justification for insisting that they are "caused" by collective unconsciousness... or that they have any direct effect outside the individual.
There are certainly a huge number of con artists who ruthlessly exploit... everything.
This thread was started by someone who seemed to be concerned about his own reaction to a friend with schizophrenia. I do not believe that a link to the pretty mumbo-jumbo of "Transpersonal States of Consciousness" on a fringe website is going to be much help to him.
(I'm sorry if that was somewhat impolite. Bear in mind where you are.)
((( Oooo... and yesterday I was having such a fun day. This has made me so uncomfortable. )))