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01 Nov 2014, 7:38 pm

If my dog passed away, I'd be crying and holding him at the same time. I've felt closer to Chico than I have the people in my family. Dogs give unconditional love, which is what I need the most.


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01 Nov 2014, 7:49 pm

Domestic animals often exhibit unconditional love to their owners - cats as well as dogs, though dogs more overtly - and even to owners that need a kick in the pants. Compared to other animals, I think very very few humans are even marginally capable of unconditional love - maybe one in every 10 million. Even the much vaunted unconditional love of a human parent for their children is in fact rarely unconditional, IMO.



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01 Nov 2014, 9:02 pm

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Even the much vaunted unconditional love of a human parent for their children is in fact rarely unconditional, IMO.


...as so many autistic children discover.



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01 Nov 2014, 11:00 pm

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Even the much vaunted unconditional love of a human parent for their children is in fact rarely unconditional, IMO.


...as so many autistic children discover.


I was just going to say that.


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01 Nov 2014, 11:15 pm

olympiadis wrote:
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Even the much vaunted unconditional love of a human parent for their children is in fact rarely unconditional, IMO.


...as so many autistic children discover.


Christ almighty, just can't let it drop for one thread.

Some parents are selfless, while others are the diametric opposite. As though NT children are exempt from the horrors of parental neglect or abuse.



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01 Nov 2014, 11:25 pm

NiceCupOfTea wrote:
olympiadis wrote:
B19 wrote:
Even the much vaunted unconditional love of a human parent for their children is in fact rarely unconditional, IMO.


...as so many autistic children discover.


Christ almighty, just can't let it drop for one thread.

Some parents are selfless, while others are the diametric opposite. As though NT children are exempt from the horrors of parental neglect or abuse.


LOL for some reason this is so funny when looking at Olympiadis' avatar.

'Christ almighty' - 'THE HIERARCHY DOES NOT APPROVE!'


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01 Nov 2014, 11:36 pm

Did you hug your dog after starting this thread? Please say yes.


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02 Nov 2014, 11:10 am

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Did you hug your dog after starting this thread? Please say yes.

WTF?



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02 Nov 2014, 11:33 am

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Did you hug your dog after starting this thread? Please say yes.

WTF?


I'm sorry for being so sensitive about this thread.


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02 Nov 2014, 1:18 pm

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"They don't get that no life form lives forever" does not translate to "they are lesser because they don't get that no life form lives forever." Rather it shows that she doesn't understand their behaviour. One which perplexes me as well.


I disagree. It shows that she is judging their feelings because she assumes that "they don't get that no life form lives forever" and that their feelings is due to not understanding this (i.e. if they understood they wouldn't be distressed).

Whatever their feeling is due to is irrelevant. The point is that they are putting their feelings above the care of their pet.



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I would think the animal would be distressed by the sadness of it's owners rather than comforted.


Obviously I disagree. Most dogs are protective of their "parents", and dying is difficult for them to begin with (not only for themselves, but knowing they have to leave the ones they care about, same as most humans).

That's fine, but why can't they comfort the pet while they are taking it to be euthanized instead of watching the dog suffer?


No it is your feelings about it that are irrelevant. You are talking about your own feelings about the parents, not the dog's. You feel the parents are putting their feelings above the care of their pet, but you don't know how the dog feels about it, usually they cling to life as long as they can, same as most human beings. They do not want to die (and be euthanised) anymore than most humans would (except a few people, when they are at a point where they feel there is no hope for them). You are expecting people who are very attached to their dog, and a dog who is very attached to his "parents", to just let each other go easily, but it usually doesn't work that way, its very difficult on both sides. Similar to watching your parents or children or other loved ones being sick and die, it is difficult for the ones who are dying, and difficult for the ones who have to let them go.

Years ago another of my cats got hit by a car, he was very hurt and the vet told me he would probably never walk normally again and that I should put him to sleep, I decided to help him recover instead, and he recovered completely. Obviously he wanted to live despite the vet's advice.

And you seem to think euthanasia is always a smooth and easy process, but it often is not, and often they are moving around and know they are dying.


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02 Nov 2014, 1:38 pm

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No it is your feelings about it that are irrelevant. You are talking about your own feelings about the parents, not the dog's. You feel the parents are putting their feelings above the care of their pet, but you don't know how the dog feels about it, usually they cling to life as long as they can, same as most human beings. They do not want to die (and be euthanised) anymore than most humans would (except a few people, when they are at a point where they feel there is no hope for them).


Well, we can argue back and forth about what the animal may feel, but we'll never know either way for sure.

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You are expecting people who are very attached to their dog, and a dog who is very attached to his "parents", to just let each other go easily, but it usually doesn't work that way, its very difficult on both sides. Similar to watching your parents or children or other loved ones being sick and die, it is difficult for the ones who are dying, and difficult for the ones who have to let them go.


My Dad died a slow and painful death from cancer - four years ago now. Perhaps this experience has jaded me.

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Years ago another of my cats got hit by a car, he was very hurt and the vet told me he would probably never walk normally again and that I should put him to sleep, I decided to help him recover instead, and he recovered completely. Obviously he wanted to live despite the vet's advice.


Yes, but that's a different circumstance from the OP's situation in which the dog was old and dying.

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And you seem to think euthanasia is always a smooth and easy process, but it often is not, and often they are moving around and know they are dying.


True. I have always gone to a reputable vet, so my experiences with euthanasia were peaceful and quick. My Siamese, Joel, who lived to be 20, relaxed in my arms and died as the drugs took effect.



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02 Nov 2014, 2:50 pm

Too much false sense of moral superiority going on here

And from what the OP as written the parents are too attached and irrational and are actually putting their own feelings above the actual dog almost as if they're milking it to get pity like a person a expecting Funeral services to give them discounts just cause their loved one died.

Everyone reacts to everything differently, a lot of animals I liked are considered disgusting by other people which is why they don't care if they get killed Ex: Spiders, insects, frogs and etc I was upset as a kid when hanging out in the tall grass near a basketball court looking at small frogs hop around, out of nowhere a basketballs lands on one and crushes them to death. The kid who did just shrugged it off.

There is like a double standard for these sort of things, kill a insect or frog, no one bats an eye or even rewards because their appearance disgust them, do it to animals considered cute like cats, dogs, and rabbits you're labelled a monster.



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02 Nov 2014, 2:51 pm

NiceCupOfTea wrote:
olympiadis wrote:
B19 wrote:
Even the much vaunted unconditional love of a human parent for their children is in fact rarely unconditional, IMO.


...as so many autistic children discover.


Christ almighty, just can't let it drop for one thread.

Some parents are selfless, while others are the diametric opposite. As though NT children are exempt from the horrors of parental neglect or abuse.


The ability to read a simple factual statement and add your own emotional meanings to it, as though some words were there that are not in fact there.

You have learned it well.

However, if you're going to follow me around on this forum, then I ask that you don't do that.

You could also try skipping over my posts and not reading them.
If you have a legitimate question about my post then ask and I will try to answer.



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02 Nov 2014, 2:54 pm

LastSanityJermaine wrote:
Too much false sense of moral superiority going on here

And from what the OP as written the parents are too attached and irrational and are actually putting their own feelings above the actual dog almost as if they're milking it to get pity like a person a expecting Funeral services to give them discounts just cause their loved one died.

Everyone reacts to everything differently, a lot of animals I liked are considered disgusting by other people which is why they don't care if they get killed Ex: Spiders, insects, frogs and etc I was upset as a kid when hanging out in the tall grass near a basketball court looking at small frogs hop around, out of nowhere a basketballs lands on one and crushes them to death. The kid who did just shrugged it off.

There is like a double standard for these sort of things, kill a insect or frog, no one bats an eye or even rewards because their appearance disgust them, do it to animals considered cute like cats, dogs, and rabbits you're labelled a monster.


I think you are exactly right, and I have had similar experiences.
After prolonged analyzation I have to conclude that it is a characteristic of psychopathy.