do you ever feel that people think your a fraud?

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30 Mar 2007, 11:08 am

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I don't know if they thought I was just pulling a scam or whether they just ignored or forgot everything I had, at great distress to myself, explained only days earlier. It made me feel like a fraud though, because the more I explained stuff the more stupid it sounded to me, and then when they later ignored it, that just turned the knife.


Can you just say: "no, I don't want to do this because it makes me uncomfortable," and leave it at that? Sometimes, I think the more you say, the worse it gets.


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30 Mar 2007, 5:50 pm

most people dont believe me, luckily tho, the right people do....

so i can get help and also help others :D


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02 Apr 2007, 12:50 am

This is the most depressing thing I've read on this board, because it is 100% true.

SeriousGirl wrote:
No, I feel like I am a fraud. I never explain things to people, just act as normal as possible. Explaining yourself should be reserved for a "best" friend or lover. After studying people for 30 plus years, I have concluded that most NTs don't want to know. When someone says, "How are you?" They expect you to say "Fine, and you?" It has as much meaning as two strange dogs sniffing arses.

You feel like you are not gaining acceptance because people don't understand you, but the reality is you are not conforming. It is hard to see this when you are young and wanting acceptance is common to all young people. But we are genetically programmed as the most basic level to identify with a group and adopt the group's behavior. If you try to circumvent the natural course of human interaction, you will inevitably get screwed. It has happened to me thousands of times in 50 years of life until I finally figured this out.

It is a hard lesson for young apsies, but it is important to know. Even when you think you have "acceptance," what you are likely seeing is hypocrisy, lip service, condescension. When Jane Goodall studied chimpanzees, she witnessed a devastating polio epidemic that killed and maimed many members of the troupe. One of the most respected members survived polio leaving a pronounced limp and he tried to return to the society and they tried to kill him. Goodall stepped in and prevented that, but he was forever ostracized from his troupe because he was fundamentally different. We share 98.5% of our DNA with chimps. We have large cerebral cortexes and the greatest thinkers among us have tried to propagate acceptance and inclusion and to make that the group norm. But that xenophobic genetic programming remains that anyone who is not like us is the enemy. We try to explain wars for many different reasons, but it all boils down to a "them" and an "us."

I don't mean to sound harsh, but the world is harsh. And I have empathy for you. Really, I do. This is the only group that I've ever felt empathy for. It is SO amazing.



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04 Apr 2007, 1:44 pm

SteveK, alas I have found something that puts into words what I experience memory-wise (although not with computers):

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A discussion about "regression" led me to post the following thoughts on some learning difficulties of my own:

...I never thought of that as regression. Sometimes I think of it as having "stupid areas" (i.e., there are things I cannot learn unless I learn them again and again over the course of either years or decades, depending, and some things I have not yet lived long enough to be able to learn long enough to learn). And sometimes I think of it as just a difference in learning style. For example, there are some things I can't learn unless I am able to (do it often enough that I can) learn it "through my body." Even math. I have to be able to write things down in the learned way, no shortcuts. Even if I am using a calculator, I have to write the numbers down in the learned way before I will know what to punch into the calculator.

Learning to use a computer was another instance where I had to be taught again and again until my body learned how. I was lucky I had a very patient co-worker at that point. She had to show me again and again how to turn the damned thing on. And then she had to show me again and again (and again and again) how to get from "turned on computer" to "turned on computer that has something I recognize on the screen." (This was back in the days of DOS.) And then, again and again, how to get from something-I-recognize-on-the-screen to able-to-make-something-happen.

If I am interrupted in the process of "learning with the body," I have to start all over again. Thus, a break in my repetition (and in being shown/taught what I need to know in order to make the repetition possible) will return me to zero as far as learning that thing goes.

It can be an incredibly frustrating experience (for me, "from the inside"), and sometimes my ability to want to pick up the body-learning chore again disappears because it just seems like too much.

http://mjane.zolaweb.com/snippets.html#BODY

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