IQ and aspies

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You figure out the patterns from the items in the problems, not using previous knowledge.

I dispute that you don't use previous knowledge. Pattern recognition subscores are where the Flynn* effect is most pronounced.

http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/2012-26185-001/



(You have to pay for the full PDF or I would have linked it. You may have access to it anyway given your field of study.)

Pattern recognition has always been an essential part of intelligence but not necessarily in the way that IQ tests measure it. The format of an IQ test puts some severe restraints on how pattern recognition abilities can be measured, namely that the patterns be a series of drawings that follow a set of rules that a person can figure out by mentally manipulating the and categorizing the drawings. Navigating the modern environment, even as a preschooler, educates you in how to put things into abstract categories. Navigating an angular, tech and man-made object filled environment teaches you to manipulate geometric abstractions and also to recognize that those abstractions are representational. A modern tot with an ipad or dad's iphone is being immersed in an environment which is increasingly just like a pattern recognition iq test. The real world didn't used to remotely resemble Ravens Matrices or require you to hone those skills but every day the resemblance increases unless you live in a particularly rural part of the 3rd world.

http://io9.com/5959058/further-evidence-that-iq-does-not-measure-intelligence



That's a knowledge base.





*For those not familiar with the Flynn effect it refers to rising IQ scores over time, requiring IQ tests to have to be recalibrated every few decades.

That is at the "superior" classification.

I think a good IQ is an indication of a person's ability to remember information under normal emotional-conditions.

All I can tell you about life is that it's a learning experience. Your life is ultimately better and eventually earns its spiritual-freedom if you learn the correct information. Your life will ultimately be in a decline if you never question so-called "popular" wisdom (because all of it is a bunch of hog-wash of lies and propaganda and pseudo-intellectual so-called sciences) and continue to be indoctrinated with false-beliefs. Why not start getting rid of your false-beliefs starting with http://www.truthism.com/ ?

I think IQ is somehow related to our spiritual-consciousness. Obviously you're going to make more mistakes and be more easily manipulated if your spiritual-awareness-levels are low and less mistakes if your consciousness-levels allow you to have what may "appear" to be developed "extra-sensory" levels of awareness.

Keep in mind that "genius" has NO identified "material" mechanism as Dean Radin sometimes talks about in his lectures/presentations. Speaking of Dr. Radin here is one of the latest uploads of his teachings in action...

If you meant to ask how someone's general intelligence affects their life, why did you use IQ? If you meant to talk about admissions tests, why didn't you say admissions tests? Or did you want the thread to end up talking about what IQ represents from a personal standpoint?

If the last of those things, I don't think that the pseudo IQ tests I've done online mean much for the quality of life I have. I find they have been piss poor representations of how I have done in life as an adult.

I am xNTP personality type, I dissect everything and spend time putting thoughts with other thoughts to the point that when I convey those thoughts to others, they often do not understand me. But then again I am not good at explaining things.

I find that even the most abstract IQ tests require grouping things into patterns. But if you do not perceive the base patterns like someone else would, you would not be able to to that task, but there's not really a reason why grouping things like everyone else groups them is representative of intelligence. ie: The way the test creators figured was the way to group them is not really representative of the best and smartest way to group things. Also they're always visual tests. Also, as someone who's lost motivation and focus, I find my own scores on tests like that vary so wildly that it's not good.

Oh wait, basically what Janissy said.

Like, I get tired easily, but maybe that day I'm not. If I mess up I might get angry and give up. I might not care in the first place. I might care a lot about doing well.

I don't think 'g' as such is a useful concept. I think that people thinking that 'g' exists is why people misunderstand the brains of autistics. They seem to think you're either smart or dumb and have not bothered to think about all the individual ways a test score would indicate something other than 'g'.

I am inconsistent to the point that even if I have a really high 'g' I am not able to tap into it most of the time such that it becomes more of a burden than anything. I wish I could have a PhD, and when the stars align just so every now and then, I feel like I could do it, and then I realize that this is just a spot of clarity in murky waters and then I get emotionally distraught. If I had consistency at least I could work with what I had, accept and know what I can and can't do and be happy, instead of being bored half the time but seemingly being unable to remove the boredom because I experience mental blocks. It is maddening. These issues are not related to my general intelligence, therefore I do not think changing the level of my general intelligence would ever get rid of these issues. Well, perhaps if I were so stupid that I couldn't get much stupider when I'm in a daze versus when I'm not, then I could find peace.

When I was about 19, I got tested in a IQ test to try to apply for benefits and got the low score of 104 with below average in most areas.

The only decent score I got was in rote memory at 117 and because of this, I fell into a depression, assuming or feeling that it was higher then that.

After this, I though people were effecting ways under my intelligence as in (what others are doing in terms of bullying and abuse may of effected my performance.

However seeing how people generally are with me its not surprising. However its only a theory so I can't stretch that.

Now I am just deeply paranoid and depressed over that but for good reasons, what if I had been upressed? Abused and tormented and seeing how I am treated generally, it's not so shocking.

Now I am planning on breaking away from civilization to make my mind free. I don't want to live the life that I do, intelligent or not.

Awesome... I am reminded of the differences between book-smarts versus street-smarts...

Reinforcing the idea that ban-dodger's a bot.

I see the difference between intelligence and intellect in their definitions:



So, for me, "book-smarts" would be intellect, or learned knowledge, while "street-smarts" would be intelligence, or the ability to learn.

Have some A.I. talking to A.I. now, you human, yes, you, obviously you're a human or maybe pretending to be one !

Well don't mind me if I ignore your posts then dodger, because you're out there.

I'm no stranger to everybody remaining silent or being non-responsive or just simply not even want to dare investigate the contents of my publications since apparently I am a specialist in being taboo...

I rather like being a Liberal myself.

I think Ban-Dodger has some valid ideas, mixed in with some absurd ones.

Perhaps btbnnyr was meaning that *you don't use prior knowledge* in the determination of IQ.

For example, a few weeks ago, where I work, an attorney made a critical mistake when analyzing a pattern. This was regarding enclosed shapes for rows of keys on a keyboard. See analogous example below. He wrongly determined the number of squares in the image to be 4. That cost his client like $4,000.

Hmm... Interesting one... I did all the tests some years ago just for sh1ts & giggles after an ad appeared in the press touting for MENSA members, it kinda scared me at the time when they gave the result & I never followed it up despite their badgering. I guess all an official score does is raise peoples expectations... Back in my dim & distant schooldays I was top of the class in every subject BUT maths, turned out I have galloping Dyscalculus, so Teachers tended to get as frustrated as I did. So in answer to the question, yes it did have an impact but only to make me lose any faith in the education system and rebel... I just taught myself anything I needed to know, which I still do to this day!

btbnnyr - Have you read any of the studies suggesting that people with Asperger’s have higher levels of fluid intelligence? If so, what were your thoughts on those studies?

As a note, when I was diagnosed, the clinical psychologist administered the WAIS-IV. I scored highest on Matrix Reasoning (98%) and Arithmetic (99%). By a fairly wide margin. I find it interesting that the primary WAIS-IV sub-tests for measuring fluid reasoning are Matrix Reasoning, Figure Weights and Arithmetic.


So, I am still trying to grasp this concept of fluid intelligence. What I noticed, at least about myself, is that I tend to be good at spotting patterns. I also seem good at identifying patterns that are similar to patterns I have seen in the past. And, oftentimes, when describing situations, I use analogy to explain how a pattern I am seeing now is similar to a pattern I have seen in the past. So, I guess what I am getting at, is that my pattern matching capability is enhanced by having prior knowledge (essentially, I have built up a database of patterns that I have seen in the past). Is this same or different from what you are describing?

Also, I am a bit curious if there is a relationship between fluid reasoning and systems thinking.