How do you interact with people with Down's Syndrome?

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Last edited by timeisdead on 13 May 2009, 10:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Yeah, but wouldn't that fit more into the political forum?

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I'm not talking to you; it was to Zoonic. Take your own advice with the reading comprehension.

I can, as medicine is one of my special interests. My AS never affected me academically.

You still don't get it.

DS will always be handicapped and challenged in ANY society, whether it exists or not. Asperger people can function well if society is suited to them. DS is a malformity, AS isn't.

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i dont treat people with down syndrome any different then i treat an NT, i treat any person with any type of disability the same as everybody else. My cousin has down syndrome, hes da coolest ever! When he comes over i notice he treats me differently the others, almost like he knows im autistic, its weird.

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It relates to some of the responses I have seen in this topic.

It won't be left wing societies that start paying for tailor made babies. It will be american upper class families in New England and Hollywood celebrities. In 100 years these people will pay private enterprises to tailor make their babies and this will be the beginning of the end for people with down's and autism. The left wing countries will scream in rage when this process starts but nothing will stop it and it will inevitably lead to all the disabled people being born in the third world and among the lower classes. In the end, the people who migrate to space will be those who once had the money to pay private companies to perfect their DNA.

Upper class families and Hollywood celebrities typically tend to be socially liberal.

I actually do, as people with AS will be handicapped and challenged in any society, as society is based on social functioning; people with AS are seriously disabled in regards to social functioning, so they'll always be disabled, no matter the society it is. A society is a complex based on social relations, and those with DS aren't as profoundly affected as even the mildest forms of autism in regards to social functioning.

Now, if you were to say that people with AS could function well in a mechanical collective, something like a hive where specialisation is desired, yes, someone with AS will function well if their specialisation is useful to the collective.

Humans aren't insects.

People with AS can function as long as the social rules aren't the same as in the current society. Far from everyone with AS have a specialization.

You're talking out of your ass, seriously. "Any" society? Not every society is like 19th century America and onward.

Imagine this scenario. Feudal Europe, a village of neurotypical peasants... All of a sudden the golden carriage of mad Prince X, an aspie, rolls into the village square. These neurotypicals wouldn't care less if the prince looked them in the eyes or not. They would bow and fear the wrath of the mad prince and do everything he said no matter how absurd it seemed. The prince on the other hand would be free to pursue his interests as an artist, fencer and archeologist without the mob interfering. The NT mob would be happy as long as they could have sex in the barn, food on the table and occasional cheap boozing. Just like any fundamental NT (or Down's person) regardless of the development level of society. Who says society can't be suited to aspies?

In fact countless people in power over the centuries have had AS. In ancient times the rate was probably even higher. How many leading historical people had Down's? Zero, not a single one. So please stop the bullshitting. Aspies can function in a lot of societies where mob rule (America, declaration of independance etc) isn't how things are structured. Not every society has to have middle-classes, jocks and vainful neurotypicals controlling their own fate by becoming unethical Wall Street people. In fact, in a lot of non-democratic societies, depending on birthright, the survival rate of aspies would be dramatically higher and they wouldn't at all be handicapped.

Lots of people with AS can't no matter what society does or doesn't. Some can, others cannot.

If you for example can function well, then you do not have AS by official definitions of the widely manuals ICD-10 and DSM-IV-TR.

I just don't think you are aware of what you are implying because you haven't thought as far and are not informed about the many facets of autism and about other disabilities, especially Down's.

Because else I'd think you're a ignorant and rude person. Tell me?

Imagine: you were to talk to people who are autistic and actually don't care as much about society as you do because their autism disables them in several ways that are not related to social interaction (or social interaction just isn't their problem), then you say... what do you say if you now here claim that this cannot be? I mean, right now you claim those people don't exist and since this is not true you probably just haven't considered them much before?

About about that:



I expect you do not mind others calling you malformed for your autism either? Do you or don't you would be sad or angered, feeling insulted or anything?

Others have their personal definitions of autism too and that might include malformation, just like you have your personal definition of AS so it could happen and they have as much right to do it as you, if you think you can generalise about people with Down's and insult them.

I have AS, not autism. Your mind is really crude and clumsy if you think that's the same thing. Autists can't even wipe their own asses, they aren't aware of many things happening around them, they suffer from mental retardation. None of this applies to people with AS.
I'm talking about AS specifically, not severe autism here.

People claiming autism and AS is fundamentally the same thing use a form of logic which would also mean that a finely crafted pair of shoes and a piece of leather from a freshly slaughtered animal, still dripping of blood, are the same because that leather is used to make the shoes, or that firewood and a dining table are the same because they're both made of wood.

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And you base all of your rhetoric on? There's not a single fact that supports the conclusion that people with AS would have been better adapted to the 19th or 1st century (or whatever century); it's all speculation. A lack of eye contact is the least bothersome aspect of Asperger's; the most bothersome in regards to social adaptation is the lack of care for social, emotional and cultural norms no matter the society (source: Lorna Wing and Hans Asperger), which leads on to disability today, and to speculate, led on to far worst things in the past. Plus, have you seen many people with AS out and about working with people? The grand majority can't handle being around people, let alone using their cognitive potential for some greater good; if you can't use your IQ of a zillion, it doesn't matter at all if it's 30 or 160, as you can't use it.

As far as I know, the only person who's dead and has been said to have AS is Adolf Hitler (a leader that is); not exactly the greatest person there (a person with DS and an IQ of 60 would have done a better job. Taking on the world militarily? Good idea there).

I mentioned aristocracy of past ages as examples. Priests of that time is also a good example. None of these people needed any understanding of humans, their role in society didn't require it. The mob didn't require it either, they were just required to do the work others gave them, they had no freedom.

In far east Asia, asperger types are traditionally seen as sacred people and in many asian cultures they enjoyed high status as wise men, hermits and monks.
In jewish society of the 17th century in Poland, many chassidic rabbis are believed to have had AS and these people were respected and at the top of these societies even though they didn't understand social interaction and lived on welfare. Chassidic judaism is extremely well adapted to asperger people.

Wake up from your stupid ideas, there's plenty of evidence supporting that aspies can function extremely well in societies adapted to them.

Hans Asperger grew up in Austria, the single most social darwinist country of the industrial age. The country which created Hitler and nazism because of it's extreme views on what was "correct" in society, who was a failure and who wasn't. Those ideas do not speak for all of civilization.
Your view on civilization is shaped out of the views of the american middle-class and the liberal social darwinism of your society which says "if you got social skills, you can get to the top of a big company or become the king of Wall Street or become president!". Society wasn't always like this, maybe that's hard for you to accept. The ultimate society isn't necessarily one where everyone have freedom and the majority rules. A minority society can be just as effective where the majority are slaves.

History shows asperger people have been at the top of society, but never have there been a Down's person anywhere in a position of power.