I just got the "you can't possibly have autism" line

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in '1984' it is used as a ponderance of facts not being immutable, but subject to personal objectivity and/or used to ponder the 'double speak as well.'

The Rat's mask was a torture mechanism they used to brainwash people by subjecting them to their greatest fear. His was rats. So they put a metal cage mask with a rat trapped inside on his face. The threat being that the rat would eat his face, while subjecting him to his greatest fear.

I used them for the following two reasons:
1.) I see facts. They will never convince me otherwise, ergo, double think will be my downfall...2+2 will always equal 4.

2) I do see things progressing to the point that the metaphor of psychological torture will be used. It''s just getting to the point that if you aren't being part of the crowd, something is wrong with you.

Okay I would have had to actually read the book and I probably would have understood it. I did try to read it once in high school but couldn't make it past the second page because I wasn't understanding it. Though I did see part of the movie and it was like 1940's era because that was when the book was simply published so they were going by the book even though the year was supposed to be 1984.

I gathered as such. And, the problem with those type of references are that they do need some background to get.

I just used them because you used '1984' as a reference.

But, here's where you cut yourself short.

You ask. For some reason, most people do not ask. Most do not even look it up or research. They are perfectly happy to get a contextual gist of a conversation. I am guessing about that part. But they do not ask for the most part.

Asking is how I built my database of things. I couldn't function without it. And, for some reason, I have never been afraid to ask.

So, asking is good and f**k those who think it's bad. Good for you!!

How about if you think of a military shirt? They wear their entire career all over their shirt. The first thing they get is the stripe for Private to put on their sleeve. Over a career, other things are worn on the sleeve, indicating things in their military life. Also, of course, medals/ribbons on the chest.

But as an analogy, maybe a civilian might wear their heart on their sleeve in the same way? Very publicly to let everybody see how they feel? (Sometimes not on purpose.) Edit: symbolically only, not a real heart sewn on.

I get the basic symbology. I know that nobody would wear a real heart on their sleeve. But it's just so odd to me.

Like I said, some of them I get. Some I just have to accept. No matter what confusion it means.

It helps growing up with all those southern sayings too. Many of them are based on real things.

Like I said, I'm not bad at it. What's disconcerting is the unevenness of which I get or don't get things. The only thing I can figure is that if I can't put logic behind it, I get lost.

Thanks for sharing this.

I find the comment about the use of idioms interesting. I am aware of many idioms. But, I purposely avoid using them, particularly in my written communication. I am not certain why, but my written communication has always been very formal. This is particularly true at work. It always bothered me when I received emails that contained directives without the use of "please". It also bothered me when people wrote emails containing fragments (i.e. non-complete sentences).

Regarding emotion, I am not certain how to communicate emotion in writing, other than through emoticons - LOL.

Regarding social emotional support, what is that? And how is social emotional support different than just regular emotional support? And how is that different from receiving advice from others in the WP community?

"Please" is always good. It shows respect.

No, you don't seem more NT than autistic to me.

An example of social emotional support would be like someone posts something about a situation in which they feel they were wronged, then others give them support by telling them they are right, and the people who are wronged them are wrong. But I don't do this, because I don't know who is more right or wrong based on one person's one-sided report. I would have to know the other side's view from the other side before I can decide which side is more reasonable, and who I would support, if I support any side. People often say that WP is support forum, and I think they want social emotional support. It is more emotional with more bias in favor of the person than just getting practical advice from others.

Some of the things I listed in the quote are things that psychs look for when distinguishing autism from NT, they may look for lack of those behaviors, and I have seen some tested in studies too.

There were some threads in the haven recently like "tell me good things about myself" or "tell me bad things about myself", but it seems both types are basically people telling the op good things about themselves. Starting such a thread seems like seeking social emotional support, and replying to say good things about op is giving it. No one tells the op something bad about them even in tell me bad things threads. I find it strange and uncomfortable to do this kind of back and forth, and it seems weirder to start such a thread and get such replies, but I try to give social emotional support when someone is trying to do something to improve their life, then I want to give them some encouragement, so they can be more motivated to continue.

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i actually have the same question. I have no idea how I am perceived at all.

Is it still social emotional support if they are giving the person advice they were wronged in about how to handle it and what steps to take to fix it or how to defend themselves?

I have been on NT forums and I have seen NTs also tell the OP how they are the ones in the wrong and I have even seen groups with a warning saying it's not a support board so they will get advice instead and all. So at least there are NTs out there who like to say things the way it is and are not afraid to tell them. I understand that there are two sides to the story so we never know if the OP is lying or not about their story so people tend to assume it's the truth and there are NTs out there who will take their story as a grain of salt.

Does this mean these NTs are more autistic than NT? Or could this mean this is only internet behavior they do because people are just strangers online who they will never see so they don't care? I wonder if they would be any different in real life where they actually support the person or just listen and not say a word?

And I always hate those "Tell me about something good about me" and "Tell me something bad about me" threads because I don't know them and also them asking people to tell them something bad about them seems to be asking members here to violate the rules here about insulting others and doing personal attacks and belittling. I have gotten members upset before with my honesty so I don't even bother anymore when they ask those things. I have no idea if it's a game they are playing. One member here once asked years back what is it about her that piss people off and I tried to be tact as I could and others said more what I wanted to say and she said me and others were mean because she didn't like our responses when she had asked what does she do that make people mad. I honestly thought she was asking for feedback so she could change to stop pissing people off but instead she went all victim on us and it pissed me off and I lost respect for her and my online friend said she wanted people to tell her how wrong those other people are for how they act towards her. Why didn't she say so? But yeah even aspies do this stuff too. Ask a question and want support, no honest answers. Just shows how human we are and how it's a spectrum. We're not immune to this behavior either. So I don't even touch those threads anymore where they ask you to tell them something bad about them. I am sure some of them are sincere but I wouldn't know.

I think some people would do the same thing in person too, like not give emotional support.
I don't do that in person either in teh kinds of situations, because I still don't know all the sides of the story.
People tell stories especially emotional ones in a super bias way to make themselves look good and others bad, especially if they think they have been wronged, so I usually hold off on supporting them.
I feel like supporting such one-sided things in which I have no knowledge is irresponsible on my part, because I would be unfair to the other people involved, and I could be enabling or reinforcing some mental problem of the person reporting the thing.
In positive cases where the person is doing something to improve their life or wants to, I can easily give encouragement even without practical advice.

Everyone with autism has strengths and weaknesses even with similar symptoms. Some of us may have a better understanding of sarcasm or tone of voice, while other people who have autism may have a very hard time with it.

For example, I'm TERRIBLE with directions. I get lost easily and I have to consciously think about where I am in order to know where I'm supposed to be. I have trouble reading location maps and I have to read it multiple times to have a vague understanding of it. I'm an aspie, but someone with low functioning autism may do very well with that, unlike me. It doesn't mean that I'm more autistic or the hypothetical low functioning autistic person is less autistic, it just means our abilities are different. That's how everyone is even if they have some other disability or disease.

Ha, I was one of the people who started the "Fishing for insults" thread, but it was mostly a joke. Two others had started "Fishing for..." threads, so I decided to start one looking for insults to see if anyone would take the chance to insult me, if they had it, and to see what they would have said.

I wasn't looking for emotional support, however. Some people did say very nice things, and some wrote some amusing insults. I don't believe I got any genuine insults. I suppose some people might have been afraid that I would have reported them, which is understandable. But I would not have.

I don't even know where to draw the line so I stay out of them lol and don't participate. This is where I have troubles so I don't even touch it a mile and my social skills don't have to be so bad if I don't do it at all.

What did you think about the replies you got?