06 May 2018, 1:47 pm
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06 May 2018, 1:58 pm
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auntblabby wrote:
the important thing to remember, is "YMMV."
I had to look that up.Not sure if you mean that what works for one person might not work for another
That's it. Might not work or work differently or not as good or even work better on a case by case basis.
Sometimes the remedy for something can cause other problems. I had developed bad generalized anxiety.The stuff they put me on cured it, but eventually it started making me reckless and aggressive. But to me I felt great, on top of the world. They weaned me off it and I went back to normal.
I am moderate to severe autistic, so my parents have had a 101 autism fixes pitched to them throughout my lifetime. They are usually either some dietary/supplement routine or some form of occupational therapy someone invented. The umpteen inventors of umpteen autism fixes all give basically the same testimonial about their special formula as goldfish21 does about his.
And how many of these people who were selling these Autism fixes to your parents were on the spectrum, figured these things out on their own accord, treated themselves, and reported the results from their first hand experience? Any of them?
I'd like to also take a moment to point out preemptively that I've never attempted to sell anything at all. I've given this information away freely after learning & doing it for myself because it can help countless people. I've never once offered so much as a bottle of probiotic supplements for sale, only freely shared my grocery list and suggested people procure what they need from their local grocer/health food store & try things for themselves at the lowest possible monetary expense.
I'm AS. Figured out and did things on my own, not by someone else telling me to do these things, shared with the group here 100% for free vs. making a sales pitch to your parents asking for money. Big difference, EzraS.
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06 May 2018, 2:04 pm
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The umpteen inventors of umpteen autism fixes all give basically the same testimonial about their special formula as goldfish21 does about his.
Is goldfish21 even autistic? He seems more bipolar (hypomanic phase) to me.
Why are you questioning my diagnosis and speculating about some other?
I am in fact ASD. I know it just the same as anyone else here who is literate and has read ASD texts.
I'm not manic. I'm not depressed, though. That may be a massive part of your perception of me. I may seem relatively "hypomanic," compared to you if it's been a very long time since you've experienced happiness. I am a generally happy & optimistic person, though. And when it comes to any of this stuff, as I've pointed out to EzraS repeatedly over the last 5 years, put yourself in my shoes: If you figured out how to treat textbook ASD symptoms you'd be excited to share that knowledge with this particular group of people, too. Simple fact. I can't think of anyone here who wouldn't be.
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06 May 2018, 2:09 pm
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I have had my share of disagreements with the man but questioning his autism, saying how he is disliked and the general ganging up on him that is going on here is against site rules and generally a bad thing to do.
Yeah, it's generally pretty rude.. but we're a bunch of socially challenged people, so I tolerate it well. I have a thick skin. Besides, I don't always play nice with others myself, so whatever. It's been going on for more than 5 years so I'm pretty used to it. I'll call someone out on the forum for being rude if I think they're being rude, but I'm no tattle-tale and have never ever reported a post (and won't) as I find that behaviour quite childish and unnecessary. I'd rather civily debate the issue with whomever is being rude.
I do find it interesting that for some reason MY diagnosis is in constant question vs. any others on this site despite the fact that I display OBVIOUS signs and symptoms here, including the simple fact that I'm on here as often as I am vs. socializing with other humans in real life. I do socialize with others ~daily, and a LOT more than most people here, but I'm still on the spectrum - just w/ my symptoms better managed thanks to applying my problem solving education to my own health and medicine and figuring out how to do it.
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06 May 2018, 2:12 pm
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I have had my share of disagreements with the man but questioning his autism, saying how he is disliked and the general ganging up on him that is going on here is against site rules and generally a bad thing to do.
His assertion that others can do what he does and overcome their autism, makes it fair game to question whether he even has the disorder.
I haven't said he is disliked, and I don't think I have ganged up on him. I just questioned whether it is valid for him to compare himself to others who aren't as "successful" as he is. This validates the struggle that many members have in achieving their goals.
I know you eat food and I know you have a digestive tract. You/others can try what I have. Whether your personal results will be the same, as good, better, or whatever no one will know until they try things for themselves. These are facts. Others can in fact try to do what I have. No one but themselves are stopping them.
I told you before, I'm not comparing myself to others. I compare myself to who I used to be and strive to be better. If you're comparing yourself(ves) to me, that's on you, not me. Goals are highly personal, as they should be, and what's possible for you is different than what's possible for me or anyone else. You do your thing & work towards your own goals, which I wish you well in achieving.
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06 May 2018, 2:18 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
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ASPartOfMe wrote:
I have had my share of disagreements with the man but questioning his autism, saying how he is disliked and the general ganging up on him that is going on here is against site rules and generally a bad thing to do.
His assertion that others can do what he does and overcome their autism, makes it fair game to question whether he even has the disorder.
I haven't said he is disliked, and I don't think I have ganged up on him. I just questioned whether it is valid for him to compare himself to others who aren't as "successful" as he is. This validates the struggle that many members have in achieving their goals.
It was not you who said he was disliked but it has been said. To be autistic about it questioning a members autism is either allowed or it isn't with the possible exception of a person specifically asking about it.
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I aint part of a gang , I say what I see and speak my mind
I have reported this thread.
I do not think people conspired to gang up on him, but in my opinion when one person criticized him personally others felt more free to do so. If you read the entire thread while you may not think anybody ganged up him I would think you could understand why others might think that is what is happaning.
You're not wrong, but reporting this thread/post is counterproductive. I don't want it locked. I said I was enjoying the thread and much prefer conversation/debate vs. a valuable thread like this being locked.
In 1850 the entire American Medical Association "ganged up," on Ignaz Semmelweis and disbelieved his theory/belief/truth that doctors' hand washing was critical to patient care and saving lives. That didn't change what he knew one iota and he persisted in teaching others until the day he died. It drove him insane, literally, but I don't have to worry about that because people in the scientific research community are already proving, bit by bit, what I know to be true and eventually people will stop their nastiness towards me and be a bit more "ooh... that goldfish fellow really was telling us the truth & really was a bit ahead of his time with all of this." I don't want/need an "I told you so!" moment. I simply want this information to help as many people as possible as soon as possible, hence sharing it with this group just as soon as I could some ~5+ years ago.
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06 May 2018, 2:20 pm
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It isn’t nice at all to call someone messed up either.
Sometimes the truth ain't exactly nice.. all of us, myself included, are a little "messed up." I'm just not messed up in the diagnostic ways that some here like to label me as. *shrug* Such is life. I'm not perfect and fully accept that I'm a little "messed up." That's a big part of why I'm 35 years old and have never been, and likely won't be, in a relationship. We have a name for our brand of messed up and it's ASD. Such is life & it goes on.
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06 May 2018, 2:31 pm
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Goldfish though admits in another thread that he’s never been in a relationship, he doesn’t seem all that bad or unreasonable to me, and (sorry to speak about you in front of you like this goldfish!) if he did have bi-polar or whatever, it’s no reason to discredit that he has (or to him - had) autism. I knew a few autistics who had bi-polar anyway.
I notice different foods I eat can have a huge effect on my behaviour, I don’t go on at people about it because they always disbelieve me (and I personally think most people are too arrogant about what they know) but I have an idea what he is talking about.
I notice different foods I eat can have a huge effect on my behaviour, I don’t go on at people about it because they always disbelieve me (and I personally think most people are too arrogant about what they know) but I have an idea what he is talking about.
That's because it's true. I'm on the spectrum like the rest of you, only higher functioning and especially so due to the treatments I do for myself. I still can't "connect," with people in the sort of meaningful way that would develop into a relationship, especially since the feeling has never been mutual. I also fully acknowledge the way that I am and have been transparent about the fact that despite having crushes on others I'm extremely reluctant to want to pursue a relationship wit someone because I know the way that I am and don't want to be a burden on someone else' life. I know that I'm suited to solo pursuits. I know that I couldn't live with myself if I were to bring down someone else' life. If I can't positively contribute and raise them up, no way no how am I going to attempt to be in a relationship for my own self serving reasons as an emotional "taker." Never, ever. I'm more suited to being in such an arrangement than ever, but still not a suitable partner, IMO. I like being able to do what I want with my time and don't feel like I'd be good enough to be someone's partner in life, so, I do my own thing. I have PLENTY of good friends, family, and others in my life to spend time with, and my sex life is as good as I want it to be - better than I imagined ever possible, really, so there's that to fill the void.
There ya go. You are what you eat. There are foods that trigger/worsen symptoms, and others that heal. This is true of many different ailments. Hippocrates nailed it when he said "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”
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06 May 2018, 2:34 pm
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What is your explanation for changing, fluctuating, or worsening ASD symptoms?
I'm curious. Seriously.
Some people believe that ASD is solely caused by a different type of hard wired brain connectivity pattern and/or genetics. If this is the whole truth, then how does one explain their ASD symptoms changing, fluctuating, or worsening? It would seem to me that IF ASD were solely based on these fixed properties, that symptoms would remain fairly consistent.
I'm curious. Seriously.
Some people believe that ASD is solely caused by a different type of hard wired brain connectivity pattern and/or genetics. If this is the whole truth, then how does one explain their ASD symptoms changing, fluctuating, or worsening? It would seem to me that IF ASD were solely based on these fixed properties, that symptoms would remain fairly consistent.
I don’t believe that ASD is solely caused by genetics or hard-wired brain connectivity issues. However, I can easily explain fluctuating or worsening ASD symptoms in my life. When I did a physical therapy clinic in outpatient, that challenged my extremely poor motor and fine motor skills, not to mention I had to learn spatially and my spatial abilities are extremely poor. So I had to kick the living crap out of the analytical side of my brain to compensate for these limitations. I also needed to curtail my attempt to appear NT and in fact demonstrate an extremely limited personality during the six weeks of this clinical.
Heck, towards the end of the clinical, it wasn’t even an OPTION concerning my personality, I literally became a cariciture from a TV show. If I was presented as an autistic TV personality, I’d have been accused of exaggerating ASD symptoms and stereotyping ASD symptoms. But I wasn’t, I was just wearing down the analytical side of my brain. Now I’ve been out of the clinical for two weeks and my personality is beginning to come back. I’m still having trouble making eye contact, but I’ll get there.
And I’m just giving you one example. I’m sure there are ways my ASD symptoms can improve or become worse.
Intellectual processing & mimicing others are known ASD symptom coping mechanisms. What I've been telling the group here for 5+ years is that by utilizing medicine the way that I do, these things come naturally and intuitively and are not stress/anxiety & burnout inducing. Big difference.
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06 May 2018, 2:35 pm
EzraS wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
The umpteen inventors of umpteen autism fixes all give basically the same testimonial about their special formula as goldfish21 does about his.
Is goldfish21 even autistic? He seems more bipolar (hypomanic phase) to me.
I've said the same thing myself.
How can you tell? IMO some of his recent posts in the Haven appear to come from someone with mind blindness ( I just realised that's a Bipolar disorder as well )
I just meant the manic part.
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It isn’t nice at all to call someone messed up either.
Normally I wouldn't say that. But when someone goes on and on about how well ordered they are and calls autistic people lazy whiners for not doing what goldfish21 does, compels me to point out to him that he's messed up in ways that don't seem to register with him. My fools errand is trying to get it to register.
I have never claimed to be perfect or not Autistic. I've told y'all for 5+ years that I've learned how to treat & control ASD symptoms via medicine and I function WAY higher than ever for it. I'm not sure how you could possibly continue to misinterpret this message as if I've changed it, at all, at any point over the last 5+ years.
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06 May 2018, 2:37 pm
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No worries. I’m enjoying this thread.
Of course you are.
Naturally. We're discussing the fluctuation of ASD traits & symptoms and what others think/know causes them, and I'm sharing my experiences of the like. Why wouldn't I enjoy it?
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06 May 2018, 2:40 pm
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smudge wrote:
(sorry to speak about you in front of you like this goldfish!)
No worries. I’m enjoying this thread.
I have plenty to respond to at a later time when I have an hour or two to dedicate to WP. Maybe in 2-3 days.
It's pretty obvious you set up this thread to get this kind of attention ie trolling. And now you're going to go hibernate in your cave while digesting all the feeding you've been given in this and other threads.
No. Why must you make such negative assumptions about me?
I'm not trolling. I'm enjoying the discussion of a subject that's very interesting to me.
It's rude to say I'm going to "hibernate in my cave," or any such thing suggesting I'm trolling. I haven't been trolling about this for 1 second over the last 5+ years. I told you I'd make time to reply to things in a few days.
1) Believe it or not, I'm legitimately busy with other things to do in life sometimes.
2) I didn't want to respond instantly and tell anyone off for being rude to me. That doesn't move this conversation forward.
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06 May 2018, 2:45 pm
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Ezra, I think you're being a little unfair to the guy. My take is that he's found something that works for him and is keen to share, that's all.
Seems like we're just getting into that area of different experiences of those with more severe autism to those with mild.
People like me with very mild, I guess we have a tendency to compare ourselves to NTs and see that we're "nearly like them". We want to fully participate in society the way the NT's do and it seems like maybe we could do it, if we could only get over a few of our traits. And some things have improved for us, with time and experience and care with our health. So we get tempted into thinking our autism to be at least treatable, or even potentially curable.
I'm guessing that all gets a bit irritating for those with more severe autism.
But feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Seems like we're just getting into that area of different experiences of those with more severe autism to those with mild.
People like me with very mild, I guess we have a tendency to compare ourselves to NTs and see that we're "nearly like them". We want to fully participate in society the way the NT's do and it seems like maybe we could do it, if we could only get over a few of our traits. And some things have improved for us, with time and experience and care with our health. So we get tempted into thinking our autism to be at least treatable, or even potentially curable.
I'm guessing that all gets a bit irritating for those with more severe autism.
But feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner here, folks!
Yes, I found what works INCREDIBLY well 5+ years ago and shared it here with the people it could help most & for 5+ years these are the types of rude responses I've received.
I managed to make it through public school and life until I was nearly 30 years old before I knew my diagnosis. Then I figured out how to treat it and, as I've said countless times, I'm living a second life for it. That's why I've shared what I have with those it could help most. Anyone who's interested in treating themselves via diet & supplements is free to do so. Those who aren't, ie RainbowUnion, are free not to. But to say such rude things to, towards, and about me is entirely uncalled for. Again, I acknowledge that people here are Autistic and have very little concept of what it means to be socially acceptable, so unlike NT's in person who get mad at their missteps, I just take them in stride and carry on.
Perhaps those who are more severely impaired by ASD think/feel differently about this stuff. I cannot experience life from their perspective, only my own. And they cannot experience life from mine, only theirs.
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06 May 2018, 2:46 pm
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There is an excellent and comprehensive book that explains the etiology, neuropathology and genetics of autism spectrum disorders and has interesting brain imaging too called "The Neuroscience of Autism Spectrum Disorders" by Buxbaum and Hof. It's well worth reading in order to gain an understanding of the biological and neurological aspects of autism and it deals some with microstructure, biochemistry and neurotransmitters as well. I read it cover-to-cover to better understand my autism and it explains a lot.
Hmm, perhaps I'll add this to my very long to-read list. I haven't heard of this book before. Thanks for sharing.
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06 May 2018, 2:48 pm
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MrsPeel wrote:
Ezra, I think you're being a little unfair to the guy. My take is that he's found something that works for him and is keen to share, that's all.
Seems like we're just getting into that area of different experiences of those with more severe autism to those with mild.
People like me with very mild, I guess we have a tendency to compare ourselves to NTs and see that we're "nearly like them". We want to fully participate in society the way the NT's do and it seems like maybe we could do it, if we could only get over a few of our traits. And some things have improved for us, with time and experience and care with our health. So we get tempted into thinking our autism to be at least treatable, or even potentially curable.
I'm guessing that all gets a bit irritating for those with more severe autism.
But feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Seems like we're just getting into that area of different experiences of those with more severe autism to those with mild.
People like me with very mild, I guess we have a tendency to compare ourselves to NTs and see that we're "nearly like them". We want to fully participate in society the way the NT's do and it seems like maybe we could do it, if we could only get over a few of our traits. And some things have improved for us, with time and experience and care with our health. So we get tempted into thinking our autism to be at least treatable, or even potentially curable.
I'm guessing that all gets a bit irritating for those with more severe autism.
But feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I’m one of those folks who has strived to be behave NT in the past, and I’ll still selectively do so when needed. However, I think we should fight the temptation to feel like we are so high functioning or borderline NT or whatever. Believe me, if you use your autistic brain to try to learn material that is difficult for autistics to learn, and you do so for long periods of time, I think you’d find your autistic traits would get more prevalent, at least for quite awhile.
I’ve had days where I was totally in tune with the world. I was quite with comebacks to whatever random things NTs said to me. I could read social cues like I was a highly social NT. I put a smile on people’s faces, I made their day better. I also had days where I couldn’t read obvious social cues, had an extremely flat affect, couldn’t even look people in the FACE (let alone the eyes), and displayed extremely poor fine and gross motor functions.
So whether I’m “high functioning” or not depends on the day, and what I’m attempting to do or achieve.
And what I've been sharing here for 5+years is that almost ALL of my days are like you describe as being "in tune with the world," since treating myself via diet/supplements as I do. The only "bad," ASD days I have are after a course of antibiotics wipes out the healthy probiotic bacteria I populate my gut with.
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06 May 2018, 2:53 pm
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MrsPeel wrote:
Ezra, I think you're being a little unfair to the guy. My take is that he's found something that works for him and is keen to share, that's all.
Seems like we're just getting into that area of different experiences of those with more severe autism to those with mild.
People like me with very mild, I guess we have a tendency to compare ourselves to NTs and see that we're "nearly like them". We want to fully participate in society the way the NT's do and it seems like maybe we could do it, if we could only get over a few of our traits. And some things have improved for us, with time and experience and care with our health. So we get tempted into thinking our autism to be at least treatable, or even potentially curable.
I'm guessing that all gets a bit irritating for those with more severe autism.
But feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Seems like we're just getting into that area of different experiences of those with more severe autism to those with mild.
People like me with very mild, I guess we have a tendency to compare ourselves to NTs and see that we're "nearly like them". We want to fully participate in society the way the NT's do and it seems like maybe we could do it, if we could only get over a few of our traits. And some things have improved for us, with time and experience and care with our health. So we get tempted into thinking our autism to be at least treatable, or even potentially curable.
I'm guessing that all gets a bit irritating for those with more severe autism.
But feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I’m one of those folks who has strived to be behave NT in the past, and I’ll still selectively do so when needed. However, I think we should fight the temptation to feel like we are so high functioning or borderline NT or whatever. Believe me, if you use your autistic brain to try to learn material that is difficult for autistics to learn, and you do so for long periods of time, I think you’d find your autistic traits would get more prevalent, at least for quite awhile.
I’ve had days where I was totally in tune with the world. I was quite with comebacks to whatever random things NTs said to me. I could read social cues like I was a highly social NT. I put a smile on people’s faces, I made their day better. I also had days where I couldn’t read obvious social cues, had an extremely flat affect, couldn’t even look people in the FACE (let alone the eyes), and displayed extremely poor fine and gross motor functions.
So whether I’m “high functioning” or not depends on the day, and what I’m attempting to do or achieve.
Agree with a lot of this. My goal is not to become as NT as possible because I am not NT. But I am not one of those people with the attitude of I gotta be me and if that hurts you f**k you. "NT' passing" skills are tools to accomplish things nothing more, nothing less. I do not see being nice and autistic as mutually exclusive. Being nice or trying to is quaint in 2018 and gets you stream rolled a lot, a sacrifice I choose willing to make knowing full well the consequences.
My goal isn't to be NT. I know that isn't possible. It's to function as highly as I possibly can so that I can do & achieve things in life that Autism would otherwise constrain me from doing. It's to be my best & highest self. I could never achieve this if I did not learn and do what I did more than 5 years ago. I've never known life any other way than on the spectrum & while it has it's drawbacks, they're lesser now than they ever were, and ASD certainly provides a lot of pros that I can exploit to my benefit. If I weren't on the spectrum I likely wouldn't have graduated from business school when I was 19 or done any other number of things I have despite NT society's general expectations and rules. I also probably wouldn't be suited to return to University to pursue what I'm going to, either, and wouldn't be as good at it. Sure, I don't have the typical social things in life like NT's have (relationships, mostly) but I have many other benefits to being ASD and may as well make the most of them instead of dwelling on my shortcomings because the latter won't do me one bit of good.
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