Treatment of High Functioning Vs Lower Functioning on W.P

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Sometimes, it is better to not have friends.

It may not even be that they're deliberately trying to sabotage the forum, so much as that's the side effect of their behavior whether they intended it or not. Many people on here seem to express feelings of helplessness or otherwise not feeling in control of their own lives. To some people, the ability to manipulate others is a means to assert control, or at least feel in control. Some people might even believe that since they've felt manipulated, it must therefore be ok to manipulate others, too.

Autistics are just as capable of crappy behavior as anyone else. While many people do legitimately have real problems, some are in fact just making excuses, and aren't really trying very hard, and do need to grow up, and take some responsibility. That's just how it is. Autistics can be just as diverse as the rest of the population. It can be difficult to tell who is legitimately having issues, and who is just wallowing learned helplessness. Then you get all the armchair experts hurling entry level freudian cliches as though they're universal truths rather than potential possibilities.

The ultimate irony is that WP is inherently a bubble outside of the real world, where people who feel like they don't understand the world and that the world doesn't understand them, claim to have an understanding of the world.

I guess we're so used to being treated stupid that we feel the need to assert ourselves in any way we can, wherever we can, and we make easy targets for each other. This mighta used to have been a support site, but with the vacuum of leadership and absence of real authority to actually DO anything about anything, fringe groups have more leeway to abuse the system and make it their own personal ego trip.

Which I never understood.

Let's say I have a local friend here in real life and one day that friend decides to go to a 7 Eleven and do some armed robbery. I am not even there, I am not part of the plan, I am not with him when he does it, I know nothing about it. Why am I guilty of this crime my friend committed?

That is according to other people who know I am friends with this person. The law would disagree. However if I was with the friend and he decided to do this action and I wasn't even part of his plan, I would need to testify against him to avoid charges because I was a witness to the crime. It's either testify against him or be guilty of the crime. It's illegal anyway to cover for someone who has committed a crime and to try and hide the evidence.

I was never a witness here to my friend's actions here because I never knew it was happening, didn't see it happening didn't know when it happened. I never followed his posts here.

When I joined WP I understood it to be a forum specifically for people with "Asperger's Syndrome". At the time, I associated this with people like John Elder Robison (whom I had seen speak in person) and the female detective in the U.S. version of "The Bridge". My general impression was that if you had AS you nevertheless pursued a career and quite often even got married and had offspring.

To me the basic dividing line is between those who need some sort of additional support in the workplace (at best) or whose disability basically prevents them from being independent, vs. those who are able to manage without. And very often, those two groups have very different needs. I for one have a hard time imagining myself in the position of somebody who depends on government benefits to live as a result of autism, however perhaps one half of everybody reading this response are in that exact situation.

Ironically I feel absolutely at a loss when it comes to offering sympathy to people on an Internet forum. I have seen people here who are in a seriously desperate mental or physical situation, or both, and don't know what to say to them.

I have offered advice on occasion, and it's possible that in rare instances people have actually benefited from my advice. In general though, I see people asking for advice without providing enough information about the problem they want help with. I think it's a common phenomenon with autism to not fully appreciate how difficult it is for your readers to see what's going on in your head when you try to explain something in your life.

As for politics, I have changed in that I have lost a lot of patience with certain right-wing points of view and I feel a desire to attack them. I don't mean to attack those who hold those views but at the same time I can no longer respect those views either.


Sorry for ranting like this!

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You can be surprised.

A certain young man who used to be a regular was extremely articulate. Both a smart guy, and a WISE guy. I was gobsmacked when he talked about how he "would probably never be independent", and another time when he talked about how he only mastered the art of going to bathroom by himself late in his growing up. If not being able to "go to the bathroom"by yourself is not "low functioning" then nothing is low functioning. You would never guess he was LFA from most of his posts.

1. They can post in the Haven if they want support.

2. Not everybody wants "validation," so that should not be the default assumption.

3. Not every personal problem is legit; sometimes people do just need to try
harder or do something different. If they don't want to hear that, they can say so, but it's not realistic to expect everyone to just know.

4. People should be clear about their topics. Sometimes people start threads with nothing but a list of personal problems, so it's not clear what they actually want to talk about.

You might want to think twice about your ability to read a forum full of neurologically variant people. Over-interpreting human behavior and even fabricating motivations is something I've seen a lot of in (probably non-autistic) people.

Being an NT does not confer telepathic abilities, and since there is no singular, absolute definition of human nature, nor any ultimate evaluation of human nature beyond that which we project onto others, individuals should be judged or defined only by their actions and choices, and not by what we only imagine their intentions and motivations to be.

I had been a service user for 45 years before I got the Asperger's dx. I've been married,but have never been employed. I'm independent in the sense I live on my own, but get a fair amount of support to maintain that independence.

I've been without regular support, and it was not a good thing. I became more and more dysfunctional/self neglecting. As is all too typical in the UK, as a middle aged person with non acute,
severe mental illness I was at the back of the queue for support, and any realisation that I might be struggling.

I guess I'd be one of the people you'd struggle to imagine being in the same position as . I'd say I'm somewhat removed from the typical person who has an Asperger's dx.

It isn't as simple as that.
People do hide their intention through selective terminology and the use of context.
I defy you to deny that.

Simply look at global politics.
Words generally mean nothing.
It is necessary to look behind those words.

And people can consciously find loopholes in the rulz.

There are times where it becomes obvious that there is a message between the lines.
Consider "Dog Whistling".
Some people are better at spotting this.


You don't have to be a mindreader to see a pattern of behaviour.
A person's history is often a good indicator of possible intent.

Speculation and asking significant questions can unearth the spirit behind the words.
I virtually never see this in practice, btw.

Wow,
And you have no idea how offensive your comment was?
Wow.

wait...did my post get deleted....why?

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/20 ... gh-iq.html

really high IQ can make people overthink things

Interesting. I would say that if you had rejected your friend's behaviour after he had made it known to you, and you had refused to associate with him and had acknowledged that his behaviour was cruel and harmful, that would I suppose exonerate you and separate you from his malicious intent.

If however you had remained friends after the fact that he had hurt people deliberately and committed a crime, then you and he would be sharing the same criminal, heinous and malicious values, hypothetically of course.

There is proverb " Birds of a feather flock together." If I have good values I will not have friends who don't share my values. Trolling and hurting and deceiving people for the fun of it is a malicious, evil thing. The lowest of the low. Good he is not your friend anymore LG you must have been furious with him for hurting your friends here. Did you report him?

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^^

http://prometheussociety.org/wp/articles/the-outsiders/