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19 Jan 2021, 3:00 pm

I would agree that somebody who feels discriminated against because they are "white" would be "fragile."



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19 Jan 2021, 3:02 pm

There is not any kind of collective guilt that is based on sex, age, race, ethnicity, nationality, disability, mental illness or ability, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity/expression, sex characteristics, religion, creed, or individual political opinions.  Only if you actively and directly incited, planned, supported, and/or participated in a crime do you share in any of the associated guilt.


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19 Jan 2021, 3:04 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I would agree that somebody who feels discriminated against because they are "white" would be "fragile."
Changing the word "white" to "black" would not make this statement any less racist.


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19 Jan 2021, 3:05 pm

Martin Luther King Jr would be very downtrodden if he was to come back and visit America as it is today. He fought for the rights of people of colour so that all races can coexist and cooperate together. Not so Wokes can call whites racial slurs. Not so racism of any kind could continue. Rioters don't realize that they're actually turning back the clock.


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19 Jan 2021, 3:14 pm

The rioters are certainly going against the precepts of Dr. King.

I was around when he was alive. He inspired me even when I was 7 years old. I remember feeling pretty terrible about him being assassinated. It had much more of an impact than the Robert Kennedy assassination.



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19 Jan 2021, 3:16 pm

One thing that should be considered: "white" is not an ethnicity.

"White culture" is only in the imagination of the white supremacist component of our society.



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19 Jan 2021, 6:30 pm

I have some questions for the OP

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When I suffered an emotional breakdown following two and a half years of psychological abuse at the hands of my ex-fiancé, nearly everybody from the Libral Arts college I attended decided that since I'm the man in the situation that by default I must be the bad guy and treated me accordingly.

I don't always go to college, but when I do most people there have no idea who I am. -even fewer know what my relationship status is. I suspect either: A.) not as many people held this opinion of you as you may think, or B.) what you are describing is the result of you actively discussing your break-up in conversation with lots of people at your university. In the case of the former, I totally get that feeling of worrying what others think of you, as a fellow anxious person, but hopefully it's not as bad as it seems. In the case of the latter, I wonder if these opinions were more reactionary to escape an uncomfortable situation than a true reflection of their world view or even of their view of you.

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And though these events took place in 2009, I was still being dogpiled and bullied over it by a bunch of feminists on FB as recently as 2017.

How do people bully you on facebook for 8 years? Can't you just unfriend or block them? Also, what did this bullying look like? Were these people posting new things on your timeline or messaging you out of the blue... or are you talking about, perhaps, people's responses to posts (like the the original one made here) blaming your breakup experience on feminism and politics? If the latter, have you considered that people might be responding negatively to your views on politics and feminism, not your actual personal story and/or breakup? It's okay to break things down. You don't have to mash up every stressful thing in your life into one unified theory of everything.

Your breakup sounds terrible, and I'm sorry that happened to you. -but what you are describing doesn't really sound like some huge feminist conspiracy against you (after all, in any proper conspiracy there should be some kind of a goal or gain among the conspirators, and I can't seem to fathom it in this case). It sounds more to me like your ex is kind-of manipulative, and that her friends (I believe they are called "flying monkeys" in some psychology circles) believe her stories more than they believe yours.



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19 Jan 2021, 6:34 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
KT67 wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.


Unless you're Kelvin Garrah - be careful what you wish for.

A lot of what people call 'Woke' is just 'not being a dick to LGBT people'.


To me, and old dude, 'woke' is synonymous with 'virtue-signaller'. 8O


Who's the old dude?


It was a typo.
I meant to say: 'an' old dude. 8O



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19 Jan 2021, 6:37 pm

KT67 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
KT67 wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.


Unless you're Kelvin Garrah - be careful what you wish for.

A lot of what people call 'Woke' is just 'not being a dick to LGBT people'.


To me, and old dude, 'woke' is synonymous with 'virtue-signaller'. 8O


Who's the old dude?


KT67 seems to have a problem with older people.
I am one of the aged.
I think you qualify, also. :mrgreen:


I dare respect older people* & not want to date them...


You go on, and on about it.
I wouldn't date you either.
It works both ways. :wink:

And yes, I know you aren't into males unless they are young and cute. :mrgreen:



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19 Jan 2021, 6:41 pm

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Every generation has its variation on 'woke". i mean what were the hippies,60's counterculture ? if not a precursor. Although ideological similar, Only thing different is th hippies of the 60s actually stood for expansion of freedom and their ideological opponents were the authoritarians and censors. now its seems tis the other way round. It's a topsy turvy world.

As regards AS? we will never be accepted, we will always be the mutant outcasts of humanity. We are not made for 'social movements.' It goes against our every instinct as far as i can tell.


It does for me.
I am literally a hermit, in real life in that I avoid people like the coronavirus wherever possible. 8)



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19 Jan 2021, 6:42 pm

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Gosh, being privileged does not mean being rich or a billionaire. You are confusing it with rich privilege.

Because it was white men who learned how to make guns and big sailing ships, and then to use fossil fuels and make machinery, on average white men have more privileges stemming from wealth. However, no amount of renouncing privilege can clear the stigma for an individual man. I have never met a feminist who can resist blaming all men for the sins of the few. A man can be married to one, and supporting her causes in every way, but still be totally resigned to being in the doghouse any time any man gets in the news for a rape. Similarly, it is men, not women, who routinely get in trouble for something that happened in their partner's dream.



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19 Jan 2021, 8:07 pm

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Gosh, being privileged does not mean being rich or a billionaire. You are confusing it with rich privilege.

Because it was white men who learned how to make guns and big sailing ships, and then to use fossil fuels and make machinery, on average white men have more privileges stemming from wealth. However, no amount of renouncing privilege can clear the stigma for an individual man. I have never met a feminist who can resist blaming all men for the sins of the few. A man can be married to one, and supporting her causes in every way, but still be totally resigned to being in the doghouse any time any man gets in the news for a rape. Similarly, it is men, not women, who routinely get in trouble for something that happened in their partner's dream.


Personal experience?



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19 Jan 2021, 8:41 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
One thing that should be considered: "white" is not an ethnicity.

"White culture" is only in the imagination of the white supremacist component of our society.


Then why is it still recorded by the US census?



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19 Jan 2021, 8:42 pm

It's recorded as a "race," and not an ethnicity.

Germans don't consider themselves "white." They consider themselves "Germans."



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19 Jan 2021, 8:45 pm

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It sounds more to me like your ex is kind-of manipulative, and that her friends (I believe they are called "flying monkeys" in some psychology circles) believe her stories more than they believe yours.


To be fair we have to take into account that we are only getting the OP's side of things. Second hand information that is perhaps run through his filter, self-consiousness, anxiety, paranoia.

However, what he is saying reasonable, NT girls are experts on how to push buttons and he sounds vulnerable enough to be tortured the way he described.



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19 Jan 2021, 8:45 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's recorded as a "race," and not an ethnicity.

Germans don't consider themselves "white." They consider themselves "Germans."


I thought race is recorded as :"white" in the US??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... ted_States