Nothing in this world hurts more than being called "cringe"

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01 Feb 2021, 9:55 am

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Not going down this road again with the self hating autistic bunch on here :roll:
projection.
Evidence?



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01 Feb 2021, 10:00 am

Fnord wrote:
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Not going down this road again with the self hating autistic bunch on here :roll:
projection.
Evidence?


Just a hunch.


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01 Feb 2021, 10:02 am

If you want evidence. You will have to interrogate KT67 and draw out an admission.


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01 Feb 2021, 10:05 am

theprisoner wrote:
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Not going down this road again with the self hating autistic bunch on here :roll:
projection.
Evidence?
Just a hunch.  If you want evidence. You will have to interrogate KT67 and draw out an admission.
There are self-hating people with autism on this website, and many of them do seem to project their problems onto others.  The rest of us (like KT67 and I) have identified our problems and have either resolved them or have made great strides toward resolving them.

I, for one, admire KT67 for her intelligence, strength, and tenacity.



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01 Feb 2021, 11:18 am

I can totally relate to that & agree with you.



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01 Feb 2021, 11:23 am

theprisoner wrote:
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Not going down this road again with the self hating autistic bunch on here :roll:


projection.

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I'm miserable having anxiety.


Yes.

I hate my anxiety.

I don't hate my autism/autistic mind/not being NT.

Unlike others on this site I'm smart enough to know these are two separate 'diagnoses'.

I just want to go back to how I was in my early 20s. Been autistic all my life. Anxiety was given to me through social stress.

I don't see how the hell having anxiety could be a good thing.

I bother to cure/treat it. If I could take a cure and go back to my natural state, I would.


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01 Feb 2021, 11:31 am

I mean in all honesty a lot of these people are incapable of reading properly so probably lack hyperlexia or a logical mind.

So for them, autism is a detriment.

For me it's a mix.


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01 Feb 2021, 11:34 am

But these limbic system difficulties you describe, can be traced back to ASD. ASD increases chance of these difficulties occurring, beyond the normal range most NT's have to deal with. We have different Brain morphology. That's like me saying I love the apple tree but i hate the apples it produces. Apples make me sick, But i love Apple orchards. Where do you draw the line. I guess it's all subjective.


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01 Feb 2021, 11:43 am

Fnord wrote:
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All I know is I'm happy being me/high functioning autistic.  And I'm miserable having anxiety.  Acquired it in my 20s.  Not going down this road again with the self-hating autistic bunch on here.
Same here, except most of my anxieties originated in my childhood.

I have to wonder why anyone would hate themselves -- why assume the same perspective as one's enemies?


Internalization can be one reason, you get a lot of negativity directed at you so you come to internalize it and start to believe it yourself. That combined with depression and maybe feeling useless/burdensome can certainly lead to such feelings. I used to have much more and worse feelings of self hatred and that's how it seemed, seems that has improved quite a bit now but it surfaces from time to time.


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01 Feb 2021, 11:45 am

Fnord wrote:
There are self-hating people with autism on this website, and many of them do seem to project their problems onto others.  The rest of us (like KT67 and I) have identified our problems and have either resolved them or have made great strides toward resolving them.
Self-hate doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's always a product of social ostracism, romantic rejection, bullying, gaslighting, emotional abuse, or all of the above. Most autistic persons definitely experience at least one of these things. And it takes a strong will not to start hating oneself after that.



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01 Feb 2021, 11:46 am

Also anxiety = an actual disorder
I don't call myself depressed when I'm sad.
I don't call people 'anxious' when they're nervous.


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01 Feb 2021, 11:48 am

theprisoner wrote:
But these limbic system difficulties you describe, can be traced back to ASD. ASD increases chance of these difficulties occurring, beyond the normal range most NT's have to deal with. We have different Brain morphology. That's like me saying I love the apple tree but i hate the apples it produces. Apples make me sick, But i love Apple orchards. Where do you draw the line. I guess it's all subjective.


I want to go back to how I was in my early 20s.

In my early 20s I was still autistic. In fact, without the s**t like masking, I was more autistic.

Plus if the apple tree is fun to climb and you're a 10 yo, there's no need to stop climbing it. Just avoid the crab apples.

LGBT people are also more likely to get mental disorders: it's because society expects some people to mask/stay closeted and allows some people to be themselves.


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01 Feb 2021, 11:49 am

Aspie1 wrote:
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There are self-hating people with autism on this website, and many of them do seem to project their problems onto others.  The rest of us (like KT67 and I) have identified our problems and have either resolved them or have made great strides toward resolving them.
Self-hate doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's always a product of social ostracism, romantic rejection, bullying, gaslighting, emotional abuse, or all of the above. Most autistic persons definitely experience at least one of these things. And it takes a strong will not to start hating oneself after that.
Understood.  It also takes a lot of self-determination to overcome self-hate.  Sadly, most of the people I know who have fallen into self-hate have never stopped falling.  For me, the drive to prove my detractors wrong was stronger than any loathing I may have felt for myself.



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01 Feb 2021, 11:52 am

My mum cringes every time I cheer for Germany when I'm watching football or if Canada's not competing for a medal in an Olympic event.


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01 Feb 2021, 11:53 am

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Also anxiety = an actual disorder
I don't call myself depressed when I'm sad.
I don't call people 'anxious' when they're nervous.


Anxiety being an actual disorder doesn't mean you have to have an anxiety disorder to experience anxiety in general.


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01 Feb 2021, 11:54 am

My own experience both with LGBT stuff and having an autistic mind is:

Try and be someone else, acquire sadness and suffering to the point of mental illness. Hate yourself for not being someone else.

Be yourself. Be called 'cringe' maybe. But be happy and healthy.

This is actually a lot to do with OP (original post/topic). If we consider certain kinds of healthy but different to the norm people as inferior and try to twist/change them and tell them that their natural self is inferior, they get ill. Sometimes to the point of suicide in both closeted LGBT people and masking autistic people.


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