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01 Jun 2024, 7:54 pm

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That number includes lower functioning autistic folks. I don’t think it’s just Level 1s.


That's true.

I know it used to be that about half of autistic folk were considered "low functioning" back in the DSM IV era, so that discounts about 50% of autistic folk from being employed to begin with, and the higher functioning folk account for the rest of the employment stats where autistic folk have paid employment, usually.


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01 Jun 2024, 7:55 pm

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To follow on from my previous post, the link is pretty unambiguous in what it is saying:

"The Office for National Statistics (ONS) has published new data that shows just 22% of autistic adults are in any kind of employment. This is a shocking figure, which is even lower than previously suggested in surveys our charity has run."

https://www.autism.org.uk/what-we-do/news/new-data-on-the-autism-employment-gap

That right there is probably the detail I missed. It seems a bit odd with how few autistic adults that are properly diagnosed that it would be that low. Mostly, because I would assume that undiagnosed autistic adults would be less likely to be unemployed than those with diagnoses. Especially for adults who were diagnosed as children.



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01 Jun 2024, 7:56 pm

Even for level 1 autistic folk, employment can have many barriers and employment is often transient rather than being permanent and stable.


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01 Jun 2024, 7:59 pm

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Not being able to get a good paying job sucks. f**k my autism.

Having a good job doesn’t necessarily mean that one will be happy. Sometimes people can have lucrative careers and be miserable. Sometimes people can be poor but happy.

Finding something you enjoy doing and can do might be a better goal for a lot of us. I had a decent career for a while but was utterly miserable nonetheless.


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01 Jun 2024, 7:59 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
To follow on from my previous post, the link is pretty unambiguous in what it is saying:

"The Office for National Statistics (ONS) has published new data that shows just 22% of autistic adults are in any kind of employment. This is a shocking figure, which is even lower than previously suggested in surveys our charity has run."

https://www.autism.org.uk/what-we-do/news/new-data-on-the-autism-employment-gap

That right there is probably the detail I missed. It seems a bit odd with how few autistic adults that are properly diagnosed that it would be that low. Mostly, because I would assume that undiagnosed autistic adults would be less likely to be unemployed than those with diagnoses. Especially for adults who were diagnosed as children.


I think in any case, for autistic folk who are severe enough to need a diagnosis in the first place, employment options are pretty terrible.

Low employment rates in general for autistic folk is the reality and probably most employed autistic folk are in lesser paid jobs. It's the usual discriminatory story for most autistic folk where they are not given promotions due to their face not fitting into an NT business culture etc.


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01 Jun 2024, 8:10 pm

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Hopefully I don’t live much longer

Having a good job doesn’t necessarily mean that one will be happy. Sometimes people can have lucrative careers and be miserable. Sometimes people can be poor but happy.

Finding something you enjoy doing and can do might be a better goal for a lot of us. I had a decent career for a while but was utterly miserable nonetheless.

I don’t care what job I do. As long as I can keep it and make a lot of money. I only care about social acceptance and money.



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01 Jun 2024, 8:12 pm

Is FrostBender the only username you’ve ever used on WP?


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01 Jun 2024, 8:14 pm

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Is FrostBender the only username you’ve ever used on WP?

Yes



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01 Jun 2024, 8:40 pm

Why?



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01 Jun 2024, 8:44 pm

No real reason. You just reminded me of someone.


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01 Jun 2024, 8:52 pm

Can I still have a normal life even if I don't like my autism? Do I have to make peace with it?



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01 Jun 2024, 9:31 pm

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Can I still have a normal life even if I don't like my autism? Do I have to make peace with it?



Since autism is a part of you, if you don't make peace with it, you will never be at peace with yourself.

And I think for most people that is probably a bad thing.


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01 Jun 2024, 9:56 pm

FrostBender wrote:
Can I still have a normal life even if I don't like my autism? Do I have to make peace with it?

Do you think you're going to like burnout or dissociation better? Because those are two likely alternatives if you don't.

Life is tough enough without having significant parts of yourself that can't be changed and you don't like

Ultimately, nobody here can force you to accept yourself, but a lot of us have had some pretty horrible views of ourselves over our lives and nothing particularly good comes of it.



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01 Jun 2024, 11:35 pm

I don't merely make peace or cope with my autism or any of my limitations for that matter.
That's something I had to do with my humanity than just all about autism.

Acceptance, to me, is just a stepping stone within the matrix of emotional nuisances to stop being so close-minded, not an all-end nor something to settle or give up with.
And it goes the same with defending the idea of acceptance as well.

The idea of normal life isn't even my goal. :lol: I've seen too much of it.
And I don't like it. It exploited a lot of people; NTs even more so, are collectively perpetuated by such ideas and generations before them.


It's not enough for me to be appreciated and be validated all about it.
Rather, I learn all about it and find ways to exploit it.

Just like the gender and biological sex I grew up as, my own upbringing (which most of it I did not like), my own bloodline, the culture I grew up in, my own economic status (I ain't a rich kid) and everything that I get in this life. :o Why not all about my neurology?

I'm only short of having an opportunistic attitude...


As far as I know, everyone is; as in all humans are cope -- NT or ND.

Even the most enlightened of humans are.
The difference is that they'd more likely admit it and very unlikely judge anyone or themselves over it.


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02 Jun 2024, 2:28 am

I just accepted that I won't be liked. These people who look down on us are the equivalent of s**t and aren't worth the time.



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02 Jun 2024, 3:04 am

1 problem with nt -not nt, is not taking/talking iq in the equation
perso i think the around the 100 mark there is a great competitivity,
where also high levels of revenge and taking back hang out,
where petty rules are made and torturous punishments applied

ahw its getting political isn't it
also projection is in the 'empathy' basket

norm(ative) trendencies
< made up word i'm sure that's used already