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09 Dec 2007, 3:39 pm

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Something tells me this is one of those times when I should have said, "In my opinion..."


lol. I think that is usually assumed on message boards.


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09 Dec 2007, 3:41 pm

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k96822 wrote:
Something tells me this is one of those times when I should have said, "In my opinion..."


lol. I think that is usually assumed on message boards.


Hehe, true. I guess what I mean is, America is young. These other countries that derived from older countries are even younger, but America is still young.



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09 Dec 2007, 3:41 pm

Not always. I'm often accused of passing my opinion off as fact.


Quite possibly because I'm very passionate about certain issues and will correct any factual errors I see.



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09 Dec 2007, 3:43 pm

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Not always. I'm often accused of passing my opinion off as fact.


"Well, that's just your, like, opinion man." - The Big Lebowski :D



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09 Dec 2007, 3:43 pm

Love that movie.



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09 Dec 2007, 3:45 pm

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Love that movie.


We used to watch that every night for over a month while drinking White Russians. To this day, I just... I just won't roll on Shabbas.



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09 Dec 2007, 4:07 pm

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The U.S. is also elderly as a nation-state. It was one of the first.

Please explain your statement as it relates to the list I posted. How do you discount the following countries?:

Quote:
660 BCE - Japan
221 BCE - China
301 CE - San Marino
843 CE - France
976 CE - Austria
10th Century CE - Denmark
1001 - Hungary
1143 - Portugal
1206 - Mongolia
1238 - Thailand
1278 - Andorra
August 1, 1291 - Switzerland
1419 - Monaco
15th Century - Spain
1502 - Iran
June 6, 1523 - Sweden
January 23, 1579 - Netherlands
1650 - Oman
May 1, 1707 - United Kingdom
January 23, 1719 - Liechtenstein
1768 - Nepal

(hardly "one of the first", but also certainly not a "toddler"...)



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09 Dec 2007, 4:14 pm

I've been accused of being narcissist before, but like what other people have been saying, there really is no connection...

It's just based on the way the aspie speaks. If you notice the general flow of threads on WP, for example, the OP posts his opinion on the topic at hand (in the first person), then everyone else posts their opinions, sometimes forming said opinions off of another post in the thread, and sometimes providing a link to any supporting factors. However, the general item of note is that each person's post talking about "My experience in this matter...", etc. We are best capable of talking about ourselves, because we can't figure out what makes those nt's tick. But praising ourselves is a completely different matter...



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09 Dec 2007, 4:25 pm

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Please explain your statement as it relates to the list I posted. How do you discount the following countries?


A nation-state is different from a nation. For instance, some nation-states, like the former Soviet Union, actually incorporated several nations. That became apparent with the dissolution of the USSR.

The nation-state model began as various populations began to challenge monarchs. The U.S. and France were among the first do do so. Later, Britain joined the ranks of nation-states by subordinating the powers of its royal family to a house of commons and its prime minister.


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09 Dec 2007, 4:45 pm

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I've been accused of being narcissist before, but like what other people have been saying, there really is no connection...

It's just based on the way the aspie speaks. If you notice the general flow of threads on WP, for example, the OP posts his opinion on the topic at hand (in the first person), then everyone else posts their opinions, sometimes forming said opinions off of another post in the thread, and sometimes providing a link to any supporting factors. However, the general item of note is that each person's post talking about "My experience in this matter...", etc. We are best capable of talking about ourselves, because we can't figure out what makes those nt's tick. But praising ourselves is a completely different matter...


I agree.

And so: (insert rant here)

My family thinks I'm narcissistic because I'm "careless"...I forget things easily because of other things going on. I'll make an appointment for something but forget to ask what my aunt or whoever is doing so she can go with me or whatever (bad example).
She's constantly reminding me to check in with whoever first and see whats going on and then mark the date. Ummm....lets see, so I have to ask off work, check with the person whos going with and then check with whomever will be at or controls the situation where I'm going.

Yeeeaaaa........... Add into that the gazillion other things that are on my mind, not to mention that my clothes are bugging the living s**t out of me, or the noises going on, or worrying about dinner or my animals or getting nice slacks to go to an interview or about wanting to rub my face or about my younger brother or sister or getting hermit crab food or my clothes bugging again or that I don't really feel like going home tonight but don't have anything else to do or the NT social problems I don't want to deal with or the fact that my roomates weird and I keep telling him to stop talking about some stuff and he wont see i guess I'll just have to keep going at it until he gets the point and then theres the fact that everything I do brings on some memory that i have to deal with yet again.

And then there's the truly AS AT traits like dealing with colors and "feelings" (as in i feel orange or whatever you are, and this person feels blue) feel like I need to count a series of these things in the room or whatever you do.


AND THEY EXPECT ME TO GROW UP AND STOP BEING CARELESS????

psychos

Anyways,
Sorry about the long posts. I'm working on trying to get them shorter; I realize i keep making really long ones so bear with me.



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09 Dec 2007, 4:59 pm

The Japanese Jomon period started in 13,000 BC., but we're going to ignore these extremely ancient countries because that would make America look like it was still an embryo. So, we'll go with France and, instead of going deep into BC for France, we'll just say 52 BC when the city of Lutetia (which became Paris) was built. Gotta draw the line somewhere (and oh the potential for argument on that line!)

I think it is fair to say that France is not dying. It's completely subjective what age we want to give France in relation to a human. I'll say 60, which is probably older that I should. But, we're into dangerous opinion waters here... they get choppy!

Lutetia (Paris) was built in 52 BC, 2007+52 = 2059 years ago.
America was formed in 1776, 2007-1776 = 231 years ago.
60/2059 = about 0.029, which is a value we can use to scale America's age (proof: 2059*0.029=59.7 -- close enough to 60)

That makes America, in equivalent human years, 231*0.029 = 6.7 years

Pretty young. Embryo compared to China and Japan, but to France, we're at least walking on two legs and forming complete sentences. Was I such a Stupid American(TM) to suggest that America is equivalent to a toddler, given the history of the rest of the world? Or, does here come the endless disagreement about minutia until one of us gives up arguing?



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09 Dec 2007, 5:02 pm

nominalist wrote:
UncleBeer wrote:
Please explain your statement as it relates to the list I posted. How do you discount the following countries?


A nation-state is different from a nation. For instance, some nation-states, like the former Soviet Union, actually incorporated several nations. That became apparent with the dissolution of the USSR.

The nation-state model began as various populations began to challenge monarchs. The U.S. and France were among the first do do so. Later, Britain joined the ranks of nation-states by subordinating the powers of its royal family to a house of commons and its prime minister.


I just read this as I was writing my other post. So, America is a mature country because it has states? This... this changes things within the context of cultural maturity and identity?



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09 Dec 2007, 5:06 pm

nomnom_goes_the_hamster wrote:
My family thinks I'm narcissistic because I'm "careless"...I forget things easily because of other things going on. I'll make an appointment for something but forget to ask what my aunt or whoever is doing so she can go with me or whatever (bad example).
She's constantly reminding me to check in with whoever first and see whats going on and then mark the date. Ummm....lets see, so I have to ask off work, check with the person whos going with and then check with whomever will be at or controls the situation where I'm going.


Preach it! I have a buddy who makes a point to get all cynical and confrontational when I remember why he's going somewhere for the weekend. "Wow, you remember that? You don't remember anything that goes on!" I have been making an attempt to remember things more. He takes it personally if I forget where he is going on a weekend if he tells me embedded in a conversation weeks ago.

My dictionary is all messed-up, because if he forgot what I was doing on a weekend, I wouldn't be offended. Being offended at someone forgetting a detail of their life is..

...drum roll, please...

NARCISSISM!



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09 Dec 2007, 5:14 pm

k96822 wrote:
nominalist wrote:
UncleBeer wrote:
Please explain your statement as it relates to the list I posted. How do you discount the following countries?


A nation-state is different from a nation. For instance, some nation-states, like the former Soviet Union, actually incorporated several nations. That became apparent with the dissolution of the USSR.

The nation-state model began as various populations began to challenge monarchs. The U.S. and France were among the first do do so. Later, Britain joined the ranks of nation-states by subordinating the powers of its royal family to a house of commons and its prime minister.

I just read this as I was writing my other post. So, America is a mature country because it has states? This... this changes things within the context of cultural maturity and identity?

Nah; he's engaging in trivial wordplay. A nation is a group of people with a homogenous or common identity. A state is an area of land ruled by a particular government. Not every nation has a state (think of the Kurds, for instance). Not every state has a nation (think of Belgium: Flemish vs. Walloons).

Again, pointless semantic games. (and again ... my apologies: waaaay off topic).



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09 Dec 2007, 6:06 pm

Since a nation state is a type of nation, the point is definitely moot.



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09 Dec 2007, 6:40 pm

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Since a nation state is a type of nation, the point is definitely moot.


A nation-state is not a type of nation. A nation-state is a category of political organization.

A nation, however, is a cultural, or ethnic, entity.


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