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22 Aug 2005, 4:46 pm

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I don't think thats exactly how it works.


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22 Aug 2005, 8:44 pm

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...And I'm the one that gets accused of being ignorant. :roll:



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22 Aug 2005, 9:11 pm

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Some of the so-called 'cyberpunk' sub-genre of Science Fiction make much use of a so-called 'Datum Plane', analogous to the old mythology of the Astral Plane. Of course, in Sci-Fi, the so-called 'Infomorphic beings' are AI Constructs (Artificial Intelligence). See for example Dan Simmons (The Fall of Hyperion), William Gibson (Neuromancer, Mona Lisa Overdrive, Burning Chrome) etc. In cinema, consider The Lawnmower Man or even The Matrix Trilogy. Of course, these works of fiction are just that - fiction.

The idea that such a thing as an AI 'personality' that in any way functionally resembles human personality could be created stems from the 'Strong AI' school of thought, a belief I personally do not subscribe to. It also has echos of the Frankenstein Mythology. I am also thinking of HAL (doubtless people will realise that the letters 'H-A-L', when each letter is rolled forward one position in the Alphabet make up the letters 'IBM'), from 2001: A Space Oddyssey, or the Three Laws of Robotics forumulated by Isaac Asimov, for example.

Another book I would mention which is Non-Fiction, was written by a Cambridge Mathematics Professor called Roger Penrose. The book was titled The Emperor's New Mind and the book attempts to deflate the 'artificial intelligence bubble', a goal I think it achieves quite well.

Yes, but in most cyberpunk, cyberspace is still just a computer generated simulation created by man. But in the Hyperion Cantos, there is an idea almost exactly like this: Data travels through the Datasphere, which is a subsection of a greater reality called the Metasphere, which is also older than humanity, home to entities far more powerful and intelligent than humans, and stargate travel goes through it.



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22 Aug 2005, 9:31 pm

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Yes, but in most cyberpunk, cyberspace is still just a computer generated simulation created by man. But in the Hyperion Cantos, there is an idea almost exactly like this: Data travels through the Datasphere, which is a subsection of a greater reality called the Metasphere, which is also older than humanity, home to entities far more powerful and intelligent than humans, and stargate travel goes through it.

Let me guess, the author of "Hyperion Cantos" fried his head on hallucinagens back in the '60s?



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22 Aug 2005, 9:37 pm

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Yes, but in most cyberpunk, cyberspace is still just a computer generated simulation created by man. But in the Hyperion Cantos, there is an idea almost exactly like this: Data travels through the Datasphere, which is a subsection of a greater reality called the Metasphere, which is also older than humanity, home to entities far more powerful and intelligent than humans, and stargate travel goes through it.

Let me guess, the author of "Hyperion Cantos" fried his head on hallucinagens back in the '60s?

RRRRRGH... YOu really need to stop accusing everybody who has a creative yet slightly wierd idea of drugs/insanity/whatever. Its annoying, getting old, and very abusive.



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22 Aug 2005, 9:57 pm

THis whole thread is insane and, quite frankly, I'm a little concerned that I may become infected by it.



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22 Aug 2005, 11:05 pm

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THis whole thread is insane and, quite frankly, I'm a little concerned that I may become infected by it.

Then dont read or post to it. Everybody will breathe a sigh of relief.



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23 Aug 2005, 12:23 am

Look, Teelaclarke has a point
Behind all that dribble there may be method in her madness.

The internet is basically just a bunch of millions of teeny tiny little networks all connected together to form a big-ass network.

A network is an interconnected system of things or people. Most people affiliate a network in terms of computer networks. But hang on a minute.

I have to say that we as humans (though we are proud to have constructed the mighty internet) are not the original authors of the concept of a network.

There are networks everywhere in nature, not just in Information technology. They exist in all of the physical sciences, and in all of the applied sciences, and all of the social sciences. Networks form part of the basis of all living and non-living things. The breakfast you ate this morning (if you remember) requires endless arrays of networks in order for it to exist on your kitchen table.

Social interaction is a network of people communicating with each other, sending and receiving information. We may as aspies consider ouselves in this regard as having a "network problem" - or at least having a low bandwidth.

The very essence of reality relies upon a system of interconnections - according to string theory, reality consists of the interactions between strings and D-branes, all wonderfully moulded in 11 dimensions.

Now, what happens when all of these networks in nature come together? They form bigger networks, which in turn form bigger networks, and bigger networks , and .... you get the point.

Therefore, I can say that Teelaclarke was right in her slightly awquard interpretation. The "Internet" was created by man, but the basis to which the internet was made has been copied from nature.

I read Teelaclarke stating that the internet was around before reality and what not, and there are beings in the internet and what not. HEY, who knows, Teelaclarke may be a religious person, for what I can think, she is trying to explain her interpretation of God.

I don't think Teelaclarke is crazy, and I don't like Wrong Planet members teasing her for starting this thread.



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23 Aug 2005, 1:17 am

it's way beyond time to stop accusing members of being crazy etc.

please stop now.

everyone is entitled to their opinions. please address the issue and not the person.

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23 Aug 2005, 1:20 am

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It does not ruin my plan, but It does make it possible for the people I plan on showing this to to do a google search and find this site and using it for their own entertainment. Therefore, I repeat my request.


i don't understand this, sean. it seems to me that you are suggesting you will be inviting people you know onto this site to join in your ridicule. this is not acceptable. if this is not your meaning, please clarify what you DO mean. and would you mind posting it publicly, to reassure other members who may be concerned. thank you.

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23 Aug 2005, 1:21 am

Eh... you're really jumping through a lot of logical hoops there. While what you're saying MIGHT have been what Teela meant, I'd feel more comfortable with it coming from her...

The sad fact is, most of the time when people say something like this, I have tried to give them the benefit of the doubt but then ultimately it turns out they really DO mean it in the sense that they say it.

Its like the people I'd know who I thought were just making a harmless racial joke... only to later realize that they really are racist.

Its easy to assume that the person you talk to is thinking on the same level you are, or is as tolerant as you are, but its usually the wrong assumption IMO.

EDIT: this was a response to White Raven



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23 Aug 2005, 2:12 am

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It does not ruin my plan, but It does make it possible for the people I plan on showing this to to do a google search and find this site and using it for their own entertainment. Therefore, I repeat my request.


i don't understand this, sean. it seems to me that you are suggesting you will be inviting people you know onto this site to join in your ridicule. this is not acceptable. if this is not your meaning, please clarify what you DO mean. and would you mind posting it publicly, to reassure other members who may be concerned. thank you.

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I was planning on printing this out with names and any reference to this site removed and showing this to some people. However, without moving it to the Member's Only forum, I would be unable to stop them from doing from searching keywords to find this site and using it for their own purposes to which I cannot control.



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23 Aug 2005, 2:25 am

ohhhh Sean, I think this is all getting a bit ugly. I was saying in another thread it's like usenet, this thread - you know heaping scorn and ridicule on someone's ideas. There's plenty of people who are interested in Teela's ideas, I don't know why you are participating just to put her down, are you having a perseveration about this or something? A lot of people would consider your ideas about 'end times' way out or crazy, you know. We all have our own crazinesses.



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23 Aug 2005, 3:23 am

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We all have our own crazinesses.


absolutely, postperson, and well put.

sean, i think i understand why you want to share this - whether i agree or not. i also appreciate your trying to keep WP's integrity, and that of its members, by not allowing your friends to search the site. however, i am sure enough of us here have been held up for ridicule, and so cannot collude with this.

therefore, in this instance, i think it unfair to accede to your request. if you must share it with your friends, please could you restrict yourself to doing so verbally only, which is fairest to everyone.

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23 Aug 2005, 7:48 am

...I think I'm gonna start crying now...


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23 Aug 2005, 3:07 pm

Sean wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
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...And I'm the one that gets accused of being ignorant. :roll:

This is my understanding of how the Infomorphic Continuum enables the Internet to function.