Who wants to swarm the Judge Rotenberg Center...

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Are you in?


They're in every room... bedrooms, perhaps bathrooms.

Oh dear Lorelei, not bathrooms... >.<

And yes, I would like to be in. :p

The problem is, assuming our success, what do we do with the kids whom we free? Do we return them to their close-minded NT parents who will be pissed off at us for destroying their only "hope" of convalescence? I'm all for ending this place, but we have a severe practical issue here. Moreover, if JRC calls the police on us, we do not have the means to protect ourselves (we are certain no army, nor do we want to be), and any legal battle that ensues would be a perilous one. Meanwhile, the patients are sent back to their parents who will by and large probably continue the shock treatment. Using the slavery analogy, slavery didn't end in 1865; it's still not over; just go to any minority populated inner-city. Unless we can educate the society that doesn't want education, another JRC will pop up, and the revolutionaries who want to end it will be doing prison time. This is why society depresses me. There's so much good I would do, if I only had the means to do it (i.e. omniscience and omnipotence).

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Get in with Oprah. She has the power to do anything.

Seriously.

"Definitely yes" people:

Ana54
Zarathustra
TrueDave
ed
MADDuck
benjimanbreeg
rexmas
jrknothead


"Perhaps" people:

larsenjw92286
KBABZ
Paula
LePetitPrince
G-Dub
woodsman25
Basshead
lovesuagi
mikebw
laurs
CWhite978
computerlove
Strapples
bopkasen
Remnant
sartresue
Spokane_Girl
cosmiccat
beautifulspam
Liverbird
dcforeman
asplanet
Traex
LeKiwi
Comet
SteelMaiden
tmad40blue

"Probably not" people:

MrMark

Please correct me if there are any mistakes!


I added you to the "perhaps" list, tmad.

Last edited by Ana54 on 04 Jan 2008, 10:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Oh, and I have a plan where at least some of us will get away; we can hold those people as hostages until the others are released from the JRC... or we can grab a staff member and hold them hostage...

If I were a student there I would purposely hold the electrode on my arm inside the shower just to escape and go to a hospital or something if it didn't kill me.

Question if you know, do the cameras have IR lights so that they can see when the lights are out?

I have no clue. Cudutell by looking at the pictures of rooms on judgerc.org?

Nope, couldn't tell. They focused on furniture and stuff in the room and not on the upper corners of the room / ceiling.

I can't believe the mods are allowing this thread to continue, a thread which is advocating the kidnapping of children from an institution, instead of a more rational response. Yes, it is kidnapping and you will be thrown in jail. No, you will not succeed. If anything you will just cause backlash. Your goals will not be met, you will do exactly the opposite of what you are trying to accomplish. I repeatedly have called for a more rational response, yet this delusional approach is what you continue to advocate. Fine, obviously your reason for doing this is something other than helping the children; you aren't going to help them one bit by getting arrested, which is all that is going to happen. Just please, I'm sure you think this is going to be a great victory for autism, but in the end its going to do nothing but hurt everyone involved. Think this over.

Seconded.

(A) If we fight back with violence, we have become the same as them. We cannot fight fire with fire. That will only make us the oppressors.

(B) This is ILLEGAL. This does not lie within our first amendment rights. We need to work within the bounds that the constitution gives us. It's only our longest standing historical document. If we are to truly win this fight, it must be a ministration of democracy, not a mob mentality that injures others.

I know why everyone wants to fight back; this is upsetting beyond all belief. It made me act more autistic than usual and had me going for a little while. It's horrible. It needs to stop. I want discussion to resume and I want a positive end for the students. I'm willing to make sacrifices to achieve this. As I said in another post, I would forego the pleasures of love, joy, wealth etc. just to stop the harming of people like this. But this isn't going to do it. This will only cause more pain. We need to end it, but we need to do it the right way. We need to show Matthew Israel that we are not arrogant bastards like him who think that we are above the system. I could only advocate this if there were absolutely no hope of doing this legitimately and if there were a detailed plan as to what we were going to do with the people inside. Is anyone here able to handle strong, potentially violent autistics? Or are we all under the illusion that they will run into our arms? I'm sure that none of us would be particularly inclined to trust anyone after JRC. And what about the NTs who are may very well be violent enough to hurt us? Is anyone here ready to handle the people we would free? We would only send them back to the parents that authorise their pain. We need to take a serious practical look at what we're doing. I support our cause; I question our methods.

Ana54, I'd admire your willingness to fight as severely as necessary, but I must serve as a voice or practicality here. As said voice, I must inform you that if anyone linked to this thread were to do anything violent against the JRC, you would be held liable (civil law) for inciting violence. This thread has a call to violent action and said call is a proximate cause to any ensuing damages. For the sake of covering your own ass, I suggest you post a "I do not support violent action" disclaimer and rethink your call here.

Walking in there and walking out with them with us is not violent... but if someone tries to use violence on us when we're walking in there, or throwing themselves on us and trying to restrain us, or whatever, we should defend ourselves...


Btw, I gave the wrong address for the board, it's http://s15.invisionfree.com/jrc_storming_scheme

They would be justified in beating you to a pulp because they would be defending the children from being kidnapped. If you did anything to them, it would tack on assault to your kidnapping charge.

Oh yes, they are just going to let you waltz in there. Its an institution, they probably have a large amount of security guards who will stop you cold. If you somehow manage to get past them, all they will do is lock you in (I bet its going to be somewhat secure, it is meant to keep in their patients), and then call the police. You will be arrested and YOU WILL GO TO JAIL .

This plan is delusional, and it is readily apparent that you have not thought out the consequences. Where are they going to go after you rescue them? Have you thought about that? Are you going to feed and house ALL of them? Also, the more violence you incite, the more it'll look bad on you; you will not come out a hero in all this. Also, how long do you think it'll take to round up all the patients? I bet its going to be more time than it takes for the police to show up and cart you to jail. The more people you bring, the more cops they will bring. You will not win.

The mre people we bring, the less time it takes to round up the patients. Andlots of them will choose to stay; we just say "If you want to leave this place follow us." It should not, under law, be kidnapping if they are being saved from disgusting abuse meant to alleviate their depression somehow, but that abuse is the kind of thing that makes some of them depressed and suicidal in the first place, so all they're doing is making them worse. Did you read about the 19-year-old who was in there for nothing other than depression? Some of the students there are in there for depression. This girl could barely talk during the whole meeting; all she could do was sob. Or maybe that was another girl; I forgot. But the 19-year-old was terrified that she would remain there past her 21st birthday.

It is kidnapping, and thats the reality of the situation. I see reason won't convince you, so good luck with your plan. I hope your parents have enough money for bail and a lawyer.

You can't reason with people like this. You just have to watch them from a safe distance.