Christianity and AS

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Ok I am a Christian my Dad when he was alive was a pastor of a church I have no problem talking to people about my beliefs now they have either 1 of 2 choices except it or ignore it. Anyone who says the bible is a load of nonsense is wrong believe it or not historians have found evidence that the events in the bible did exist. It says in the gospel of Matthew Chapter 28 verses 16-20 and I type here

16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they say him they worshipped him; but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.



I believe it is important to share on the Word of God to the world and I want one day able to preach infront of thousands of people worldwide. But what that is about in Matthew 28 is Jesus is telling his disciples to go out and tell everyone about him about Christianity what you are doing is right not wrong but it is also very good idea to pray first for God to give you the right words to say some people are than others some people you can't be to heavy on others you can I am very much liked by a lot of people and the reason what it is inside me which is God's presence people who not Christian who don't even know that I am a Christian says that they see a glow a light around me and for that I can get very popular in groups because they what is in me sometimes the best way to get someone to church which is what I sometimes is say nothing for a while they always ask me what is that nice presence around me then I explain it does work that way.

Continue with what you are talking about with your friends and God bless you for doing that.

First off, this is true.

As for why I reject the bible...
God is going to send every to hell that isn't Christian. All the hindus and muslims and anyone else of another religion. They will burn in hell for eternity!
God once said something almost exactly like "You too, Etheopeans, shall feel the wrath of my sword."
Well, he just damned an entire country.
Pretty nice guy isn't he?
No, I don't believe God is like that, I think he is a decent guy, not the tyrant described in the bible.

This thread should probably be moved to the Philosophy board.

i am not christian or any other religion but i do question relgion alot.#
i wonder if all the religions actually tie together and beleive the same thing
And i wonder if science contradicts relgion.
like evelotion and the big bang theory.
i believe in recarnation though. Hehe

I think you're reading into this a bit too deeply. How many different ways are there to say, "Get off the tracks, because a train is coming, and if it hits you, it will kill you."? If someone is in danger of living in a place of torment forever, is it wrong for me to go and tell them that they are in danger, and tell them how they can avoid it?

Yes, because your "place of torment" is imaginary - unlike, say, trains. There is no evidence to support the claim that those who don't accept Jesus as their savior will burn in hell after death. There is no evidence to support the claim that there even is anything at all after death. In fact, all the scientific evidence points toward a very high probability, almost absolute certainty that all the mind does after death is deteriorate as the brain shuts down. It doesn't go to some place of burning torment or eternal happiness. It just deteriorates. It is a proven fact that the threads come undone and the brain stops working. Without a brain, without nerves and impulses, there can be no consciousness. Your fantasy of heaven and hell doesn't make any kind of logical sense. So get off your friend's back. He/she is safe. No less safe than you are anyway. There is one life. Don't try to make your friends waste it on your futile fantasy about a sequel. This is all you get. This is your life. Live it.

There is evidence that even Jesus did not exist >_<. A lot of the "prophecies" in the Bible were so general that they must eventually happen. I could say "The city of the seven hills will burn in the land of the Jews", and its almost certain to come true considering Jerusalem lies in a completely war ravaged part of the world.

Er, dont patronize me please, and its bad to bless where one is cursed. Glow of light around you? You sure its not a metaphor? I very much doubt you glow, but if you do, you should have it checked out. It sounds like post hoc reasoning though.

There is a BIG mistake when it comes to religions causing war it is really sad as it says in the bible be peacedoers if you look carefully it is usually religious sects that causes the war's not the actual religions it self funny enough when it comes to prophcies in the bible some of them have come true not always explosions or anything. But Aeroplanes are mentioned also someone discribed a Television in the bible I think it is in Isaiah also I believe even in Christianity that there are wrong teachings I suggest the only way you can really prove that God exists is to ask for his presence it is very simple also go to a Christian Church also forget your logical mind it is that part of AS that drives me round the bend try not to be sceptical when you go just go with an open mind. I've taught myself to open my mind a bit now and does help to survive in this world.

Skepticism is a good thing. Opening your mind to stuff that doesn't make logical sense may cause your brain to fall out.

There are tons of quotes urging war, or killing in the name of relgiion.

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

During this period, Joshua destroyed all the descendants of Anak, who lived in the hill country of Hebron, Debir, Anab, and the entire hill country of Judah and Israel. He killed them all and completely destroyed their towns. Not one was left in all the land of Israel, though some still remained in Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod. So Joshua took control of the entire land, just as the LORD had instructed Moses. He gave it to the people of Israel as their special possession, dividing the land among the tribes. So the land finally had rest from war. (Joshua 11:21-23 NLT)

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)



(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

It isn't a sophism. It was meant to be a way to illustrate why stating a certain group happens to think something is correct does not make it correct, particularly when that group is a small one.



We have to accept the first statement in order to accept the rest and I flatly reject it. God works through man and God wrote the Bible through man. Humans have great evil inside of them, but that does not make the Bible evil. Also, I went through the book and provided the context. When you read a verse taken out of context and quoted as a way to discredit the Bible, all I ask is that you go to that chapter and read it before you make your judgment because there are people who attack the book by taking fragments that, when they stand alone, are ambiguous at best, and often look terribly evil because of that lack of context. If that is an unreasonable request, then I can only conclude you do not want to understand for other reasons.



I think you mean Judges 21:10-24. It was a historical story. It didn't say, "God told people to go rape women," it said they did. Big difference. Your argument is like saying writing a textbook on WWII means the writer supports genocide.



I can only tell you what convinced me, since it is not within my power to provide you any sort of direct proof of the existence of God, which, as you well know, is beyond the power of any man, or we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The fact that Jesus went and preached things in the New Testament that were not self-serving was what most convinced me. Men are, by nature, self-serving. If the book were written by a man, he would not have stopped people from worshipping him to point their eyes toward God. Jesus got nothing but pain and the worst kind of death sharing what he said. He did not mingle with the elite, he mingled with the lowest classes and preached to them hope.



Nope, I said specifically that I made no value judgment. I happen to think employment is a form of slavery, yes. The Bible does not say, ever, "Go and take slaves," it says on how to deal with the slaves people already took. Now, you can argue that that is supporting slavery by not specifically denouncing it, but given the time, I don't think the book would have been accepted that way, so it did not "go there". It did NOT however say taking slaves was a good act. How I, a mere human, feel about slavery is completely immaterial. It does not affect the validity of the Bible in any way whatsoever and is off-topic.



No, I wasn't dodging, I just wasn't being specific. Yes, I think AIDS is one of the ways homosexuality is being dealt with. The lack of children is another. These are facts unaffected by my opinion or, again, whether I think this is a good thing or not.



Somebody is watching a lot of Discovery channel lately. My original statement stands -- they called it the world, but did not mean the planet, because they did not know what the planet was. I regret upsetting you with my words, but it is an unavoidable. I can see you have many feelings to work through. I'll help as much as I can (I'm traveling this weekend, but I'll be back on Monday).



God did know that would happen. I fail to see your point, since that was a rule meant for the people of that day, not very recent day.



Yes, He was a vengeful, jealous God. The commandment you speak of means, "Thou shalt not murder." Killing and murder are different things. War is an inevitable part of life, even in this "enlightened" age. Is war evil? Is killing in war murder? Since the New Testament, how many wars have God asked men to wage? An interesting topic in itself, I think, and a great part of Theology.



I think this paragraph has been well enough answered by now.



A great way to end this post. Apparently, I and any other human is so powerful that we can prove the existence of God. And, if we do not, it therefore follows that God cannot exist. This is all assuming the fact that everything around you, including you, and everything you can possibly perceive, and the stuff beyond that when you die, is not proof enough. I guess we can just as easily chalk all that stuff up to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I'm sure it's delicious.

Because it does not make sense to you does not mean it does not make sense. If you would say what is illogical about the idea of a Heaven and Hell after death, this might be some sort of argument, but in essence, you are saying, "I don't get it, therefore it must be wrong!" Then you follow it with dictating what will happen to other people. It seems to me you're really confused about your role in the world.

Hi. I'm going to quietly drop in my two cents and leave because I think that arguing over religion (or even anti-religion) and religious matters borders on pointless.

I'm an atheist tending towards agnosticism.

People choose and believe in what they want to believe. God's existence cannot be proved but it can not be unproved (unless you build a time-machine one of these days and go waaaaaaaay back and properly see and scientifically document exactly how it all happened.

You either believe in it or not. Groups have "proofs" on all sides.

This is sad.
Could we please get back to the asked topic of if Christians with AS have difficulty understanding the Bible?
Let's save all the debating about G-d's existance for the Politics, Philosophy, and Religion forum.
Let's also do away with all the talk of how trying to convert someone is not a good idea. It's off-topic.

I didn't ask how you'd warn someone to get off the track, that's quite clear. What I meant was if you say 'Hey, I think you should become christian to improve your life', then that's ok - So long as you accept the 'No thanks' most will respond with. Going into great detail about what they do right and wrong and telling them how they should go about their life is wrong.

Also, your analogy doesn't make any sense - you're comparing warning someone that a very real danger is iminent to telling people various ways in which they should change their life because of a danger you believe will happen after they die.



That's utter nonsense! Holy texts were compiled over great lengths of time by various unconnected people and each was designed to help direct people of that day which this has caused contradictions. If they were the words of God, what had previously been said would have been remembered surely? The bible has no use in todays society and it's the people that get that, that reject it.



Looks like it the people who think it's their role to guide other people's beliefs that are confused about their world role.

Without going into if God exists or not, there are there main monotheistic religions, they each share texts and even holy figures with each other - how do you know what you believe is right and they're wrong? Taking it down a level again there are different sects within each of those religions who believe slightly different things. Who's to know which of those are right? The excuse that you can't disprove your god can also be said of theirs so that can't be used as a reason to push your god on to a non-religious person.

I was told by my father that, when I was 5 I said "Dad, I know why you can't see heaven or god, it/he moves at the spped of light."
It kind of made sense to me then. Now, I believe you just die. No spiritual upcoming where you're reborn as a plant or something crazy like that, you just die. Your body shuts down, and you are buried for no reason what so ever. It's just taking up room for industrialization.
There are just so many religions, and so many theories it's hard to believe one.