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06 Oct 2008, 3:41 pm

the jewish tell you what the metaphors mean.

Like in the old testment G-d tells Moses to talk to a rock so that it could give water to the people. Rock means death. When a jewish died we put a pebble on his grave.

So G-d wanted to show that even rocks obey him, even rocks can ressurect and give him water "refresh by the spirit by renewing one's mind". Remeber when Sampson asked for water and it came out from a rock after his Spirit got tired?

The prophet Joel said that all rocks of judah would give water. So Jesus calls Simon(the one who listens in hebrew) Cefaz(rock). He Became Simon Peter(the rock that listens).

And he didn't listen at all, was always inflexible, choleric and hard like a rock. So did Jesus with James and John calling them brother of thunder istead of their names, because they wanted Jesus to kill the farizan sending fire from the sky.

So I think Jesus liked Peter because he was a stone block who became an sculpture, we can see a real metamorphosis in his life, and this rock obeyed in the end and gave water. So I believe that Christians have to live for Christ to show how he works in our lives Like Michelangelo did to Piéta and David ^^ making those stone blocks to become art.



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06 Oct 2008, 6:29 pm

That's an interesting interpretation.



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07 Oct 2008, 5:06 am

Hi, I am a christian to and have been as long as I can remember, however, lately I've been drifting further away from God. I feel like I can't draw near to Him and be best friends with him like I want to because I don't know how. I also struggle with lust and impure thoughts a lot sometimes and I read that people with Asperger's get obsessed with certain topics and need to know everything about it. Well for me, I have always been very curious about sex and my body and that has led me slowly into exploring more impure things and I don't know why but it has. With God's help I know I can concur anything but it's difficult because I am very isolated and alone most of the time and get tempted and let myself give in/not try hard enough to resist.



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07 Oct 2008, 5:19 am

No.

I was obsessing over the classified RHA penetration of the [HEAT] Hellfire anti-tank guided missile in church. Which is ironic, really.



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07 Oct 2008, 5:43 am

Kristina wrote:
Hi, I am a christian to and have been as long as I can remember, however, lately I've been drifting further away from God. I feel like I can't draw near to Him and be best friends with him like I want to because I don't know how. I also struggle with lust and impure thoughts a lot sometimes and I read that people with Asperger's get obsessed with certain topics and need to know everything about it. Well for me, I have always been very curious about sex and my body and that has led me slowly into exploring more impure things and I don't know why but it has. With God's help I know I can concur anything but it's difficult because I am very isolated and alone most of the time and get tempted and let myself give in/not try hard enough to resist.


G-d has always a way. I am assexual in the fact men's sexuality don't affect me. I try to look to another direction when I see people french kissing. I am interestead in men, I wnat to have a husband, but I am not intereasted in having sex with them, or french kissing. I believe those things have to happen with me if I know the guy's mind and what he means by doing it, and if he knows mine. But sex has to come after wedding for me. Sex means to know each other in hebrew, and I believe I have better ways to get to know someone, so I foccus on building friendships, but you know NTs tend to think you are boring an ddon't supply their expectatives and than they leave you behind, it's not 'coz I am hard it's coz they don't support me I believe. Anyay aspies can only be dedicated to a person at a time, like having a circle of many friends is complicated, I have problems in taking care of people and there are some I want to get away from me, in a ways I wish they could disappear, but this christian vaues hold me to support them, anyway it gets me very sick to be around them doing things that I hate, I avoid conversation and shift the topics to my topics, like people that ove talking about drinking, sex and injuring animals. So yes, I start a conversation when I am desperate and say goofy and non senseless things and everybody laughs. I am matters at writting in matters of communication.



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07 Oct 2008, 6:01 am

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I believe in Jesus. But I read the bible under a jewish perpective. The books of Daniel, Isaiah and Joel caught me to assume He is the Machiah, righteous and speaks the truth. So I chose to be a Christian. But I try the most to accomplish the law, specially the kosher food which helps in my autism. OFF TOPIC, How can I eat a pig, an animal with 10 points of IQ it's higher than many dogs and cats breeds IQs. How can I eat an animal that has affection and intelingence and a heart phisiollogically similar to the human heart and there are studies associating pigs to pryons. So yes, I love Jesus, but I accomplish the law but placing love above all and keeping it in my heart.


Do you consider yourself as a Messianic Jew then?


No, I consider myself someone who was born jewish, because it's what makes you jewish just to be born to a mother who has jewish blood who also had a mother who was jewish, either being a guer or by blood. So I am ethnically jewish, and chose christianity as my religion, although I read the bible with the eyes of a jewish, kind I can detect the mistakes in trasnations and the things I believe the Roman Catholic Church changed, like Judas death, or Lazarus in hell, things that jewish would never write that way. First of all Jesus childhood friend was Lazarus in the sefaradi tradition you can not connect a bad name to someone you love, like someone who was evil or had a terrible fate. Like you'll never name your son HITLER, so there's this character called Lazarus who dies and goes to hell because He was mizar and niggard. LOL. If He really existead he would have a surname to in the jewish tradition in order to not to be connected to Jesus' childhood friend, Lazarus. It is confusing for a jewish even thinking Lazarus was a fictive character. I believe this was added in order christians would be afraid of burning in hell and giving money and belongings as indulgences. But I can recognize what Jesus said that was really according to the expectations of the Machiah.



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07 Oct 2008, 8:53 am

Hi Taly, it's interesting to read your story. :)

Just a correction: Lazarus wasn't the miser of the parable, but the poor man who was carried to the bosom of Abraham.
The rich man's name is not mentioned.
So it fits perfectly anyway: Lazarus is the good guy with the good name. :D



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07 Oct 2008, 9:14 am

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Ok here's one for ya'll. I can't tell you how many people believe we are the terminal the WWll generation is the terminal generation for Jesus' return to take all His followers to heaven. So what say any of you here about where we are on the world's timeline?


I've never heard about that. Who is saying that the WWII generation is the last one, and which reason do they have to believe it?

I don't believe it, but I believe that we human beings can't guess where we are on the world's timeline. Jesus himself said that noone knows the time when he returns, not even himself, only God the Father knows.


Many charasmatic teachers. I can't quote the passage and need to look it up, but it is in reference to the generation that sees the Israel become a nation again is the one that will not pass away before Jesus returns. As for the not pass away part know one knows exactly how many of said generation needs to pass on before we see the fulfillment of that verse. Yes! :D



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07 Oct 2008, 12:25 pm

Pook wrote:
AnnePande wrote:
Pook wrote:
Ok here's one for ya'll. I can't tell you how many people believe we are the terminal the WWll generation is the terminal generation for Jesus' return to take all His followers to heaven. So what say any of you here about where we are on the world's timeline?


I've never heard about that. Who is saying that the WWII generation is the last one, and which reason do they have to believe it?

I don't believe it, but I believe that we human beings can't guess where we are on the world's timeline. Jesus himself said that noone knows the time when he returns, not even himself, only God the Father knows.


Many charasmatic teachers. I can't quote the passage and need to look it up, but it is in reference to the generation that sees the Israel become a nation again is the one that will not pass away before Jesus returns. As for the not pass away part know one knows exactly how many of said generation needs to pass on before we see the fulfillment of that verse. Yes! :D


are you speaking of Matthew 24:34? "This generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled." we were just talking about that verse in my Last Day Events class, and how some Seventh-day Adventists had thought the 2nd coming would be in the 1930s or 1940s because of the longevity of the people living in Hunza and Yugoslavia who had witnessed the meteor shower of 1833, which was foretold in Rev. 6:13 and Matthew 24:29. but, that verse is in reference to the generation of pharisees in 70 AD when Titus destroyed Jerusalem.. and in pertaining to the 2nd coming, it refers to the last generation that will see the last signs just before Christ comes. there is nothing that i can see that supports the idea that it refers to the generation of WWII. i think it's a misconception...

now, to answer where we are on the timeline. actually, the timing is good, because we got a paper in our bulletin last Sabbath that had the chronology of last day events laid out much better than i could have done myself. so, i scanned it.. but the files need to be very large to be able to read it... so i uploaded it to mediafire... you'll have to download it, if you want to see it, but i think it's worth looking at, at least. i also uploaded it to photobucket, but since it doesn't allow the images to be above a certain size, you can't really read any of it.. so i'll just use those as preview images.

if, for whatever reason, you don't feel comfortable downloading these from mediafire, but still want to read them, feel free to PM me your e-mail address and i'll e-mail them to you directly. :D

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to get a version of this image large enough to properly read, you can download it at http://www.mediafire.com/?iyjj4ikyyz2

note: length of lines on chart are not proportional to actual time involved!
as in, we don't know how quickly these events will take place, but only that it will happen quickly. we believe we are just before the shaking time. from now until the 2nd coming, we don't know how much time will pass, but only that we are living in the last days, and believe that the last events will happen soon, and happen in quick succession.

also, the back of it had all the references used to make it, both from the Bible and the spirit of prophecy.
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to get a version of this image large enough to read at all, you can download it at http://www.mediafire.com/?znlmjwydnmt


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07 Oct 2008, 8:42 pm

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So do you want God to free you of Aspergers or do you get upset with Him for having this nuerologically different brain?

God created all kinds of people..."life's rich pageant," to quote Inspector Clousseau and REM simulaneously. The Bible is full of "different" people, Jesus among them.
BTW I am a Christian too.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:16 pm

You know that is a good point. When reading about many of the prophets they seem to have some Asperger like traits. Moses said he couldn't be the one to lead the Jews out of Egypt, because he was slow of speech and something else? John the Baptist lived in the wilderness and wore animal skins.
When I think about it I would like to be freed from it so I feel more comfortable working and socializing instead of making so many excuses why I have become such a hermit. So really why is it some of us can't stand to be the odd person out???....



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07 Oct 2008, 9:34 pm

nicky wrote:
Pook wrote:
AnnePande wrote:
Pook wrote:
Ok here's one for ya'll. I can't tell you how many people believe we are the terminal the WWll generation is the terminal generation for Jesus' return to take all His followers to heaven. So what say any of you here about where we are on the world's timeline?


I've never heard about that. Who is saying that the WWII generation is the last one, and which reason do they have to believe it?

I don't believe it, but I believe that we human beings can't guess where we are on the world's timeline. Jesus himself said that noone knows the time when he returns, not even himself, only God the Father knows.


Many charasmatic teachers. I can't quote the passage and need to look it up, but it is in reference to the generation that sees the Israel become a nation again is the one that will not pass away before Jesus returns. As for the not pass away part know one knows exactly how many of said generation needs to pass on before we see the fulfillment of that verse. Yes! :D


are you speaking of Matthew 24:34? "This generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled." we were just talking about that verse in my Last Day Events class, and how some Seventh-day Adventists had thought the 2nd coming would be in the 1930s or 1940s because of the longevity of the people living in Hunza and Yugoslavia who had witnessed the meteor shower of 1833, which was foretold in Rev. 6:13 and Matthew 24:29. but, that verse is in reference to the generation of pharisees in 70 AD when Titus destroyed Jerusalem.. and in pertaining to the 2nd coming, it refers to the last generation that will see the last signs just before Christ comes. there is nothing that i can see that supports the idea that it refers to the generation of WWII. i think it's a misconception...

now, to answer where we are on the timeline. actually, the timing is good, because we got a paper in our bulletin last Sabbath that had the chronology of last day events laid out much better than i could have done myself. so, i scanned it.. but the files need to be very large to be able to read it... so i uploaded it to mediafire... you'll have to download it, if you want to see it, but i think it's worth looking at, at least. i also uploaded it to photobucket, but since it doesn't allow the images to be above a certain size, you can't really read any of it.. so i'll just use those as preview images.

if, for whatever reason, you don't feel comfortable downloading these from mediafire, but still want to read them, feel free to PM me your e-mail address and i'll e-mail them to you directly. :D

Image
to get a version of this image large enough to properly read, you can download it at http://www.mediafire.com/?iyjj4ikyyz2

note: length of lines on chart are not proportional to actual time involved!
as in, we don't know how quickly these events will take place, but only that it will happen quickly. we believe we are just before the shaking time. from now until the 2nd coming, we don't know how much time will pass, but only that we are living in the last days, and believe that the last events will happen soon, and happen in quick succession.

also, the back of it had all the references used to make it, both from the Bible and the spirit of prophecy.
Image
to get a version of this image large enough to read at all, you can download it at http://www.mediafire.com/?znlmjwydnmt


Thanks for the help. I have a better memory for the parabels and pieces of verses then I do their exact location :wink:

I've been looking through some of it and went to one of my favorite sites. It is just fabulous if you want to take a peek www.biblecommenter.com One commentator believes it refers to the Jewish people and when he breaks the grammer down for the reader it does make sense. But in thinking about it we are not in the age of the Jew, but in the age of the Jew and gentile believer...if that makes sense.

Hmmm What I do think that is rather odd is that the very same issues and struggles are overtaking the world are almost identical to the time of WWll.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:37 pm

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Hi, I am a christian to and have been as long as I can remember, however, lately I've been drifting further away from God. I feel like I can't draw near to Him and be best friends with him like I want to because I don't know how. I also struggle with lust and impure thoughts a lot sometimes and I read that people with Asperger's get obsessed with certain topics and need to know everything about it. Well for me, I have always been very curious about sex and my body and that has led me slowly into exploring more impure things and I don't know why but it has. With God's help I know I can concur anything but it's difficult because I am very isolated and alone most of the time and get tempted and let myself give in/not try hard enough to resist.


Hon we all have our issues :wink: and being Aspie can be very lonely at times. I just encourage you to run to Him and not drift away with all your feelings of inadequacy. After all Jesus has been there done that so He fully understands. Be as patient with yourself as He is with you and I bet that a stronger relationship with the Lord will blossom in your life :hugs:



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08 Oct 2008, 2:08 am

I am very Christian, but I think the Christian right-wing would not be so thrilled with me. I believe that The Bible is all about the little poor man who stands up for what is right against the conservative society they live in. It talks all about the necessity to take responsibility for each other and not just ourselves. How the most valueble luxury is what we give and not what we take. It also talks about how the poor are not there to be ridiculed, they need to be helped.

Most conservatives would really have a problem with that.



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08 Oct 2008, 7:42 am

I am a Lutheran, but haven't attended services in nearly 3 years.


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08 Oct 2008, 8:57 am

countzarroff wrote:
I am very Christian, but I think the Christian right-wing would not be so thrilled with me. I believe that The Bible is all about the little poor man who stands up for what is right against the conservative society they live in. It talks all about the necessity to take responsibility for each other and not just ourselves. How the most valueble luxury is what we give and not what we take. It also talks about how the poor are not there to be ridiculed, they need to be helped.

Most conservatives would really have a problem with that.


I strongly agree. Jesus was the Little Guy, fighting for the Little Guy.