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30 Nov 2008, 5:25 pm

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Jake Gyllenhaal's character in Zodiac.


not a fictional character


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30 Nov 2008, 5:38 pm

As I've just found out. Oh well.. he is as aspie as they come though!


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30 Nov 2008, 6:01 pm

I am a bit of a trekkie and I think that the Star Fleet officer Lieutenant Reginald Barclay In Star Trek: The Next Generation and Voyager has Asperger syndrome. He tried to get on with people on the Enterprise but he found this difficult even though his work was Ok. He was later seen on an episode of Star Trek: Voyager in which Lietenant Barclay created a holodeck simulation and socialised with the holographic crew. He also worked on them creating an artificial quantum singularity or wormhole so the Voyager crew could communicate to their colleagues and loved ones in Federation space from the Delta Quadrant of the Milky Way. At the time he was being counselled by Lieutenant Deanna Troi (who is half Betazoid) called his cat Neelix after the Talaxian chef aboard Voyager. Creating an artificial wormhole must be some feat of intelligence or the use of Barclays Asperger syndrome it could be. :idea:



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30 Nov 2008, 6:38 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote:
As I've just found out. Oh well.. he is as aspie as they come though!


that I agree with :D


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30 Nov 2008, 7:18 pm

A couple of sf ones, both of whom I found a great sympathy with: Felka (although she's probably more properly a classic autistic-savant), from Alastair Reynolds Revelation Space books. And possibly Fallom, from Asimovs Foundation and Earth.

And my all-time favourite fictional character(s?), Macey / Thomas / Tom from my all time favourite book, Red Shift, by Alan Garner. It's a very, very bleak book.
Macey: fascinated by spinning objects, flips into insanity, surrounded by "friends" he doesn't understand.
Thomas: treated as a fool, doesn't have the words to say things right.
Tom: Literal, obsessive (with words and codes and science), driven to despair by his inability to maintain a relationship.

I guess Red Shift counts as an obsession with me, as I've been totally fascinated since I first read it as a child. I didn't understand it much then - it's about madness and sex (very, very loosely based on the Tam Lin story), but the sex is only ever alluded to, and went right over my head at the time. I've even bought a half dozen copies of the book to give to other people, which I guess is a terrible social faux pas. Heh. Get yourselves a copy, go on! :)


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30 Nov 2008, 9:33 pm

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-Moss and Roy from The IT Crowd
-Ross from Friends


I wouldn't say Roy or Ross... but Moss definatley.


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01 Dec 2008, 7:47 am

Clumsy Bella Swan from the Twilight novels. (pre-change of course)

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01 Dec 2008, 8:15 am

Gotta agree w/Edward Scissorhands.

Identified so strongly. Can't even watch the thing now. Great film, but just can't watch it.



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01 Dec 2008, 8:15 am

anna-banana wrote:
MizLiz wrote:
AnnePande wrote:
Pippi Longstocking (btw an old childhood obsession of mine). :D


! !! ! AHHHH! That makes so much sense now that I think about it! She's "precocious" "quirky" and any other adjective people used to describe her they could have just said...

No. She has AS.

I also really loved Pippi.


what other traits apart from "quirky" did she have?

none.


Oh yes, I think so:

- She often understood things very literally.

- She didn't care about if her clothes were "socially acceptable".

- She wasn't great at understanding social cues (and indeed she didn't act like she did in order to be rude, because she'd often regret afterwards).

- She was kind of a loner, living together with two animals (no cats though - and she did have 2 very good friends).

- She disliked authorities.

- She had her own kind of logic and tended to think out of the box (all the time, actually).

- (She chews her hair, a kind of stim, but an NT could do that too, of course)

- She does everything her own way (even if others / NTs may think it's more troublesome).

- She sleeps with her head under her blanket and the feet on her pillow (do we see a sensory issue thing here?? - some aspies like to have something over their head eg. while sleeping, I myself can't sleep without the head under the quilt, but I do have the head on my pillow).

There might be more things. :)



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01 Dec 2008, 8:52 am

melissa17b wrote:
Forrest Gump?

He personifies at least some essential aspects of autistic experience.
He's definately not an aspie though



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01 Dec 2008, 8:54 am

Tony Stark (IRONMAN)



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01 Dec 2008, 9:01 am

MartyMoose wrote:
melissa17b wrote:
Forrest Gump?

He personifies at least some essential aspects of autistic experience.
He's definately not an aspie though


Second that. Not an Aspie.

It would never be a drama that an Aspie is accepted and renowned because he keeps doing things that people think are more important and moving than he thinks they are. That's the reverse of the usual problem. I.e. People usually don't assume Aspies are more than what they are, since their problem isn't primarily retardation. People usually assume Aspies are less than what they are, on account of social skills deficits.

In the sense that there is a disconnect between Forest Gump's outward performance and his fundamental talents, tho, that is similar to an Asperger experience. And the fact that his ability to love exists separate and apart from his cognitive function difference. I.e. he had a remarkable ability to love appropriately despite his lack of a clue.



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01 Dec 2008, 9:19 am

AnnePande wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
MizLiz wrote:
AnnePande wrote:
Pippi Longstocking (btw an old childhood obsession of mine). :D


! !! ! AHHHH! That makes so much sense now that I think about it! She's "precocious" "quirky" and any other adjective people used to describe her they could have just said...

No. She has AS.

I also really loved Pippi.


what other traits apart from "quirky" did she have?

none.


Oh yes, I think so:

- She often understood things very literally.

- She didn't care about if her clothes were "socially acceptable".

- She wasn't great at understanding social cues (and indeed she didn't act like she did in order to be rude, because she'd often regret afterwards).

- She was kind of a loner, living together with two animals (no cats though - and she did have 2 very good friends).

- She disliked authorities.

- She had her own kind of logic and tended to think out of the box (all the time, actually).

- (She chews her hair, a kind of stim, but an NT could do that too, of course)

- She does everything her own way (even if others / NTs may think it's more troublesome).

- She sleeps with her head under her blanket and the feet on her pillow (do we see a sensory issue thing here?? - some aspies like to have something over their head eg. while sleeping, I myself can't sleep without the head under the quilt, but I do have the head on my pillow).

There might be more things. :)


I agree that Pippi Longstocking is an Asperger archetype -- of the female variety. Remember, females don't present the same way men do.

Her not being a "little professor" isn't necessarily the absence of a trait given she had precocious skills of other types. It was implicit in the presentation of the story that we didn't see Pippi Longstocking from an introspective perspective, but always from the outside as if she were a phenomenon of nature. There was never an intricate psychodrama story given for why she was the way she was. Looking from the outside you would just see the skills she had and she could have obtained them in any number of ways, including having special interests she spent all her time on. That in itself is kind of Asperger -- you know them, because you come across them in life, but you don't know them well.

Also, female Aspergers can be more socially capable than Asperger males. So her being idiosyncratic and eccentric is enough for her social asynchrony to be clearly pathological -- i.e. not just an affectation. Her social asynchrony was deep and fundamental enough that it was a a part of her makeup.

Finally, her advanced physical skills are not unlike what I have developed. Asperger females can be tomboys, and when you take the Asperger female tomboy into physical training, the hyper sensorimotor functioning can become the basis for abnormally high physical performance.



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01 Dec 2008, 9:48 am

Anne of Green Gables with the actress Megan Follows

Mr. Rogers from Mr. Rogers Neighborhood

Some people mentioned Hank Hill, but what about Peggy Hill? She seems every bit of AS as Hank does. Actually so do a lot of other characters on that show.

The Professor from Gilligans Island



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01 Dec 2008, 9:59 am

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01 Dec 2008, 12:40 pm

MartyMoose wrote:
Tony Stark (IRONMAN)


Sounds cool, what reasons though?