A Tale of a Mod's Abuse of Power

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16 Dec 2005, 3:43 am

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Someone is paying for the bandwidth this site consumes. They can set what standards as they want and enforce them as they see fit. Even if they occasionally err a bit on the side of keeping it civil, that is their perogative.

Yes, but members have been encouraged to make donations; and apparently do. So, I'd suggest if that's the case, the membership should have some say in things. Does that sound reasonable?

Of course, contributers may be rewarded with fast-track promotion to the moderator clique for all I know.

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16 Dec 2005, 6:11 am

ascan wrote:

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WrongPlanet isn't a democracy. The Moderators and Administrators are chosen by Alex. The Site Owner.

GA

This part of your problem: you lot aren't consistent.

vetivert in the Guidelines Thread wrote:

The Moderators.

The Moderators are chosen by consensus amongst existing Moderators. A member is put forward, and their suitability discussed by existing Moderators. (The only exception is if Alex confers Moderator status). There are no “rules” as to who may be suggested.

You are, actually, an oligarchy (if I believe vetivert). So don't go blaming Alex to take the pressure off yourselves!

You completley misunderstood me..Though I'm not surprised, considering the entire point of this thread is too look for ways to attack the moderators.

Be we chosen by Alex or chosen by the current Moderators, my points was, that the general membership has no say in who the Moderators are or will be...So there is no sense whinging, bitching or moaning.

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16 Dec 2005, 6:34 am

GalileoAce wrote:

ascan wrote:

GalileoAce wrote:

WrongPlanet isn't a democracy. The Moderators and Administrators are chosen by Alex. The Site Owner.

GA

This part of your problem: you lot aren't consistent.

vetivert in the Guidelines Thread wrote:

You are, actually, an oligarchy (if I believe vetivert). So don't go blaming Alex to take the pressure off yourselves!

Your statement seemed clear enough. How am I supposed to guess what you mean, when you don't say what you mean?

You know, when people point out the obvious failings in a system, sometimes things get changed for the better. Would you agree?

Oh, and lets not get throwing the "A" word around willy-nilly. We wouldn't want any excuses for official warnings, would we? Anyway, at least you can't accuse me of thread-derailing, I suppose.

Do you believe moderators should be beyond criticism?

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16 Dec 2005, 9:10 am

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Do you believe moderators should be beyond criticism?

No, but whatever complaints should be brought up via PM rather than in public. I honestly believe that it is okay to criticise the government, as long as it is constructive criticism and not just flaming and insulting them without reasons backed up and properly supported by logic and other events.

The way I think of the moderators is kind of like the supreme court (of the US... for folks elsewhere, just bear with me). We all have our personal beliefs, but we're here to make WP better under the supervision of Alex. He has final say in whatever decisions are made, especially when it comes to the big ones. The moderators also check each others' decisions.

It is inevitable that people complain, but please do so over PM first. If I wanted to criticise the government, I would probably choose to write a letter or send of a signed petition to the congressmen rather than insult the government by calling the senators nasty names that I'm not going to say here.

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16 Dec 2005, 11:26 am

This is getting really old and wasting energy on both sides. Can we go back to posting now? WP isn't some totalitarian regime to be tumbled.

What are you trying to start? A revolution? :roll: :roll: :roll: Geeze, don't take it all so seriously.

ascan, whether or not you think your racist comment deserved a warning or not, you're getting off easy because you ALSO attacked two other members, and regardless that they were mods, you would have received AT LEAST one warning for the attacks since they occured so closely in succession. And possibly even two.

Potentially, you could have received 3 warnings. Why are you complaining? Just drop it. Please. This is just getting monotonous and my eyes are getting tired from rolling so much. There are better things the both of us could be doing...

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16 Dec 2005, 11:31 am

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No, but whatever complaints should be brought up via PM rather than in public.

Why? That means trusting a moderator to give the full details of the communication to other moderators. There's good evidence that doesn't happen.

For example, in chronological order over the period of a week:

ghotistix wrote:

This violates the forum guidelines on unacceptable behavior (racist language).

ghotistix wrote:

You're right about that one. It's not racism, and I apologize for the mistake. However, the warning still stands on your personal attacks.

BeeBee wrote:

... your "racist" comments...

vetivert wrote:

...and so the racism "charge" is still in limbo at the moment

vetivert wrote:

...ascan - i have tried to give you an explanation. disparaging someone because of their ethnicity is racist

That's what happens when you communicate with you lot via PM!

It's the best f*****g laugh I've had for a long while.

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16 Dec 2005, 11:58 am

You want to know the truth, ascan? ghotistix made a mistake. As do ALL people including myself all to frequently and undoubtedly you, too. You're going on over something that WILL NOT CHANGE. The warning stands. Let's please move on because this is not a productive or enjoyable way to spend time. It's just fruitless rambling and pointless arguments and we're all tired.

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16 Dec 2005, 12:10 pm

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Indeed. I have admitted to not behaving perfectly, but believe you lot do ask for it in the way you carry on.

This could have all been resolved quickly if you'd just explained exactly what I'd done wrong as your guidelines say you should.

You still haven't.

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16 Dec 2005, 12:28 pm

ascan wrote:

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We did. It's just that you don't agree with them. So this argument will never be resolved. Your comments were racist and you attacked two members and therefore received a warning. What more do you want? The exact definition of racism? If you do, I can post a link to the Online Oxford Dictionary. Otherwise, I can't give you what you are asking because there is nothing to give.

Your two personal attacks on nirrti and myself were both offensive and aggressive. I can't offer you any more.

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16 Dec 2005, 12:36 pm

vetivert in the Guidelines wrote:

(a) Racism, sexism, etc. is defined as prejudice (opinion) or discrimination (action) against a person based on a characteristic over which they have no control – their race, gender, sexual orientation (homophobia), age, disability, etc. It is the use of stereotypes to define a person, or portraying them solely on the basis of that characteristic.

You've not demonstrated how what I said breached the above. Moreover, I've repeatedly asked for that to be done, to no avail. You've never explained, or attempted to, other than to say : "you've made racist comments".

As it's not clear cut (that's obvious from the PM quotes in my other reply), I think if you insist on sticking with the accusation you should satisfactorily explain it.

Edit: Oh, btw, vetiverts comment: "disparaging someone because of their ethnicity is racist"
isn't satisfactory. Because I obviously didn't do that.

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16 Dec 2005, 12:40 pm

You made flippant and potentially degrading and shallow comments about a minority. You didn't deny anybody voting rights, but NO FORM OF RACISM is allowed on WP.

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16 Dec 2005, 12:46 pm

Sophist wrote:

You made flippant and potentially degrading and shallow comments about a minority. You didn't deny anybody voting rights, but NO FORM OF RACISM is allowed on WP.

But the guidelines make no mention of that. On your reasoning, I could get an official warning for saying flippant and shallow things about your democrat political party.

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16 Dec 2005, 12:49 pm

Racism is defined in the guidelines :

vetivert in the guidelines wrote:

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16 Dec 2005, 12:52 pm

ascan, you were discriminating against minorities. Can we give this a rest? You're never gonna be satisfied.

*done with this thread*

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16 Dec 2005, 12:52 pm

ascan wrote:

Of course, contributers may be rewarded with fast-track promotion to the moderator clique for all I know.

Not true. Just so you know.

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16 Dec 2005, 12:56 pm

Sophist wrote:

ascan, you were discriminating against minorities. Can we give this a rest? You're never gonna be satisfied.

*done with this thread*

You can't show how what I said breached the guidelines. I've given you all ample opportunity.

I didn't breach the guidelines as far as racism is concerned. QED

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