What is wrong with childrens fashion designers???

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27 Apr 2009, 11:36 pm

you totally walked into that one, dude. Priceless :lol:



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27 Apr 2009, 11:37 pm

TheDoctor82 wrote:
you totally walked into that one, dude. Priceless :lol:

meh, point is simple, you allow your kid to dress like a cheap hooker, don't be surprised if some 50 year old man whistles at her.


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27 Apr 2009, 11:38 pm

cognito wrote:
TheDoctor82 wrote:
you totally walked into that one, dude. Priceless :lol:

meh, point is simple, you allow your kid to dress like a cheap hooker, don't be surprised if some 50 year old man whistles at her.


Yeah, Jodie Foster should know :lmao:



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28 Apr 2009, 1:45 am

LOL, I went to school with fashion designers. They don't do it on purpose: it's just all they know how to design. :B



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28 Apr 2009, 1:57 am

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It's sad. On one hand these designers can say "well we didn't force you to buy it" but they also know that children will copy each other to fit in.

http://www2.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=43941

"Abercrombie & Fitch, the same retailer that enraged parents last year with a summer catalog of teenage-looking models groping each other and in the nude, now offers several varieties of thongs at its Abercrombie stores, the division of the company for children 7 to 14 years old.

"It's cute and fun and sweet," said Hampton Carney, spokesman for the company based in New Albany, Ohio.

But some parents are far from tickled. In fact, they're outraged."

From the article:
"Wong Brothers Laundry Service - Two Wongs Can Make it White."
oh my god, I laughed for 3 minutes straight. I want that shirt so hard.
I used to work at Abercrombie, but we never had any epic drama like that go down when I was there. Although it was pretty funny that all the girl clothes were made of tissue paper and all the guy clothes were made of like 3 layers of some kind of heavy duty bomb-proof man-fabric and lined with fur.



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28 Apr 2009, 9:32 am

There was a excellent clip somewhere in a episode of farscape or something. The alien charaters had stopped by earth for a while and were interviewed by a young teenage boy they stayed with. The topic went onto sex and the fashions around for children. She made the point after talking quite naively or logically whichever way you look at it, that if people were making revealing clothing for children, then surely someone out there wanted children to be sexually active.

I watched it years ago, so can't quite remember it but I think it made a very good point about this topic.

Personally I find it creepy that you can look for clothes for eight year olds and choose between cute dungerees with a teddy bear on the front and thongs.


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28 Apr 2009, 10:42 pm

Reminds me of when I was walking to my usual commuter bus downtown one spring, past the big department-store complex. I happened to glance over at a window and noticed the summer fashion display. The first thing that went through my mind was "I see the 'junior streetwalker' look is in this year"; just before it hit me that I wasn't looking at the teen fashion department display, which was on the other side of the street, but the children's department. That sent me into a bit of cognitive shock, right there. I've seen 9 and 10 year old girls walking around with "future porn star" tshirts.

American, and increasingly European, culture is growing more and more schizophrenic. Culturally, the image of the paedophile is our most powerful bogeyman. The mere accusation of paedophilia or child pornography is enough to destroy a man's career; regardless of his innocence. Yet culturally, we idealize youth, and increasingly sexualize children. Toys and fashions are increasingly sexy; and not just the innocent "Barbie Doll" sort of sexiness; but brazen and trashy in-your-face sexuality. The average age of fashion models is somewhere in the mid-teens. I am old enough to recall the controversy over the "pornographic" Calvin Klein ads featureing a 15 year old Brooke Shields. Now, that sort of thing hardly raises an eyebrow; and 20 years later, another CK controversy involved young children in a similarly eroticized setting.

And it's nothing to do with fashion designers being male paedophiles. Yes, some of them are males, and they're not all gay; but just as many, if not more, are women, particularly when it comes to children's fashions. Female paedophiles? Perhaps. It's certainly not unheard of (and strong evidence that it's seriously underreported); but I'm willing to bet that that's not it. If parents didn't buy into it, didn't demand it, it wouldn't exist. Children's fashion is not made for children anymore; it's made to directly mimic adult fashion. And, unfortunately, it's mimicking the most inappropriate aspects of adult fashion.



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28 Apr 2009, 11:06 pm

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Are girls on the spectrum less likely to fall into the trap of dressing like that? And are there any girls on the spectrum that actually want to dress like that? Are those of us who are on the spectrum more self conscious about how we come across to all people, including in how we dress?


I dressed like that from about age 15-25. I can't really remember exactly why I did... yes it was to look sexy but I think I was trying hard to be normal and fit in, to dress like other women did, to achieve the mainstream idea of beauty, but I went overboard because I didn't have a natural sense of limits.

Now I'm in the OPPOSITE direction where I cover everything :lol:. I don't even like to show my shoulders.



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29 Apr 2009, 8:49 am

Apatura wrote:
Padium wrote:
Are girls on the spectrum less likely to fall into the trap of dressing like that? And are there any girls on the spectrum that actually want to dress like that? Are those of us who are on the spectrum more self conscious about how we come across to all people, including in how we dress?


I dressed like that from about age 15-25. I can't really remember exactly why I did... yes it was to look sexy but I think I was trying hard to be normal and fit in, to dress like other women did, to achieve the mainstream idea of beauty, but I went overboard because I didn't have a natural sense of limits.

Now I'm in the OPPOSITE direction where I cover everything :lol:. I don't even like to show my shoulders.


I think that many AS girls/women may fall into the category of the first quote, but not all. I did at times, when I was 15-23 dress pretty skimpy. I dressed however I felt like, without regard to fashion. I also, wasn't very self-conscious about how others saw me. I simply didn't care. The only time that i did care was when it was important, ie a job interview. I used to put together some pretty outlandish outfits.

However, I think there's a big difference between a 16 yo wearing a skimpy outfit, and a 10 yo wearing a skimpy outfit. I remember when I was 10 I had a mini skirt, and that 'mini-skirt' barely came above my knee.



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29 Apr 2009, 10:29 am

I don't know if this really belongs here, but something I find wrong with young girls' fashion is all of this Twilight themed clothing. Honestly, isn't that series for adults? Not to say that everything else in this thread isn't valid, I've just never encountered it being a teenage male, so this is the only thing I can complain about from personal experience.


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29 Apr 2009, 10:56 am

I don't think any woman should dress like a ho as it is degrading, but at least it clues me in to their self esteem.

Either way, women make no sense when it comes to this. They want men, but they don't listen to men when they talk about what they think is sexy. Men generally seem to categorize women into two categories (without any thought or intention they do this), a lady and a ho. Ladies are women you date and have serious relationships with. Ho's are free prostitutes. Women think the way to a man's heart is with sex, so when they are hunting for men to date, they dress like ho's. It never dawns on them that the men they start "dating" (what is dating to them but just some casual sex to the man) are not interested in taking someone like them home to mama. Then they turn around and complain about the type of men they attract, and that they got played.

I proved women wrong on this realm. This night club in our area, I used to go all the time when I was younger, single, and not a mom. Anyway, I always dressed with class usually borrowing my mother's clothes. Men were always interested in me. My friends, on the other hand, dressed like every other girl there. Dressy shirts that show lots of cleavage, all back, and some belly as well as hip hugger pants or mini skirts. I just wouldn't wear stuff like that because I didn't think it was flattering at all, and most men really don't like that. If they want to see half naked women, they'll go to the strip club. Anyway, I did have a rule that I wouldn't pick up men at bars, so maybe that's what guys liked about me is the fact that I would never go home with them. Either way, one time, I went wearing a matching i can't think of the term for it, but it's like a sweat suit made of some stretch soft fabric, and the sweater had a zipper. I wore that in red with a white tank top underneath (it showed some cleavage, but nothing ridiculous) and the zipper zipped halfway up. I had more free drinks than all my friends together, and would you believe the next weekend at that club, half the girls there were wearing something like what I wore. The fad only lasted about a couple months, but I started it.

I also went to a club like that wearing sweatpants and a wife beater and got a lot of interested guys, but I was with my husband (who was my boyfriend at the time), so I'm not sure how that would have gone beyond guys checking me out according to my boyfriend/husband.



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29 Apr 2009, 11:34 am

cognito wrote:
still , if you are 12, wear pancake makeup and dress up in skanky clothing, don't be shocked if someone makes a comment about you. You dress like a whore, look like a whore, don't be surprised if someone calls you a whore!


You know, when I referred to a certain girl as "The idiot cowboy girl" (she had cowboy boots) when I was still in primary school she (and the teacher's) weren't exactly in agreement with you.



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29 Apr 2009, 11:48 am

Michael_Stuart wrote:
cognito wrote:
still , if you are 12, wear pancake makeup and dress up in skanky clothing, don't be shocked if someone makes a comment about you. You dress like a whore, look like a whore, don't be surprised if someone calls you a whore!


You know, when I referred to a certain girl as "The idiot cowboy girl" (she had cowboy boots) when I was still in primary school she (and the teacher's) weren't exactly in agreement with you.

my point is, if you dress up a certain way, people are gonna assume things. I have friends who dress up in the whole goth/studded clothing thing, and they have been called names for it. Is it right? no, but should it be expected. yes! If I went outside wearing a dress (I am a guy) people are gonna make comments about it. TL/DR: if you dress a certain way, you are gonna get caleld things, so don't be shocked if you are called a whore if you wear reveling clothes.


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