Neurotypicals are happier than people with AS

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05 May 2009, 8:47 pm

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You don't know for a fact that they're happier, and I'd wager that they probably aren't.


The idea of the "painted on smile" comes to mind.

Good public relations skills do not always equal happiness.


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Following the crowd doesn't make you happier. And being smarter doesn't make you unhappy, either.


Then what does make you happier?


Actually, I'm wondering if they're are in fact different kinds of happiness.

For instance, if I solve a puzzle, study an object, play a computer game or do well on a test. I feel satisfaction.

But it's very different feeling for me compared to happiness I feel when someone is listening to me in an empathetic way, or I'm happy with a friend. It's more emotionally charged.

Watching a sunset or nature, or going for a swim or a long walk is another kind of happiness. I feel slightly different again.

It's hard to explain really, but I do notice a difference.


Are there in fact different kinds of happiness/satisfaction?

Social happiness?
Experiential happiness?
Object/hobby/task related happiness?
Happiness caused by physical exercise?
Happiness in peaceful solitude?
Happiness as a relief when a danger has passed?


Is it that the brain interprets these kinds of happiness in different ways?

Why are some people happier doing some activities than others?

Perhaps happiness is too vague a word...



For me, being successfully accomplished in my work, knowing my tasks are completed, and that I'm reaping the rewards that I've sown makes me happy. Granted, it doesn't happen too often, but I discover that it seems to work out moreso in the long run than the short run.



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05 May 2009, 9:52 pm

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Say what you want.

NTs are sheople, they are robots, they are shallow, etc. But the bottom line is that they are happier than people with AS.

Is there anything is nothing more important than being happy?

All the NT bashing on this board doesn't really make a lot of sense.


I don't think anyone is truly happy regardless of if they have AS or not. Everyone faces individual challenges in life & it doesn't matter what those challenges are, they can make that person miserable.


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05 May 2009, 9:58 pm

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Say what you want.

NTs are sheople, they are robots, they are shallow, etc. But the bottom line is that they are happier than people with AS.

Is there anything is nothing more important than being happy?

All the NT bashing on this board doesn't really make a lot of sense.


I don't think anyone is truly happy regardless of if they have AS or not. Everyone faces individual challenges in life & it doesn't matter what those challenges are, they can make that person miserable.


Challenges don't make people happy or sad; it's how people deal with those challenges mentally that decide it. It's one's own choice to be happy or sad about how something turns out. Basically, you take something as you chose to take it.

For instance, seeing all the "woe is me" crap on these forums gets me discouraged every time I try to help...but at the same time, no one is telling me to get discouraged; it's my choice. I could just go ahead and say "to #e!! with 'em all", but I don't...and that's my choice entirely. It's also my choice, entirely, to attempt to inspire everyone. I can see how well it works overall, but no one is forcing me to continue to try.

I have basically said it in regards overall to social interaction, and have no major qualms about it.



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05 May 2009, 10:41 pm

TheDoctor82 wrote:
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Say what you want.

NTs are sheople, they are robots, they are shallow, etc. But the bottom line is that they are happier than people with AS.

Is there anything is nothing more important than being happy?

All the NT bashing on this board doesn't really make a lot of sense.


I don't think anyone is truly happy regardless of if they have AS or not. Everyone faces individual challenges in life & it doesn't matter what those challenges are, they can make that person miserable.


Challenges don't make people happy or sad; it's how people deal with those challenges mentally that decide it. It's one's own choice to be happy or sad about how something turns out. Basically, you take something as you chose to take it.

For instance, seeing all the "woe is me" crap on these forums gets me discouraged every time I try to help...but at the same time, no one is telling me to get discouraged; it's my choice. I could just go ahead and say "to #e!! with 'em all", but I don't...and that's my choice entirely. It's also my choice, entirely, to attempt to inspire everyone. I can see how well it works overall, but no one is forcing me to continue to try.

I have basically said it in regards overall to social interaction, and have no major qualms about it.


To someone like me who's struggle with depression most of my life that sounds really really trite and frankly just stupid. Maybe it's not the challenges that make me depressed but saying it's a simple choice, well that's not exactly true either. How do you know your happiness is not a product of the way your neurotransmitters are wired?

The whole free will argument seems like a convenient argument to judge people. If that line of reasoning works well for you then all the power to you, but please don't use it to bash other people over the head. If your so happy then good for you. Now go away and leave the rest of us alone.



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06 May 2009, 12:43 am

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Challenges don't make people happy or sad; it's how people deal with those challenges mentally that decide it. It's one's own choice to be happy or sad about how something turns out. Basically, you take something as you chose to take it.

For instance, seeing all the "woe is me" crap on these forums gets me discouraged every time I try to help...but at the same time, no one is telling me to get discouraged; it's my choice. I could just go ahead and say "to #e!! with 'em all", but I don't...and that's my choice entirely. It's also my choice, entirely, to attempt to inspire everyone. I can see how well it works overall, but no one is forcing me to continue to try.

I have basically said it in regards overall to social interaction, and have no major qualms about it.


100% in agreement with you, Doc - I'm glad to hear someone else voice my thoughts.
Happiness is a choice, always. Its a state of mind, and has nothing to do with getting what you want and all about appreciating what you have. It sounds trite and stupid until you realise it for yourself - then it makes perfect sense.



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06 May 2009, 5:27 am

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100% in agreement with you, Doc - I'm glad to hear someone else voice my thoughts. Happiness is a choice, always. Its a state of mind, and has nothing to do with getting what you want and all about appreciating what you have. It sounds trite and stupid until you realise it for yourself - then it makes perfect sense.

It's trite because it can't be backed up. It doesn't logically follow that happiness is a choice just because it's a state of mind. Physical pain is also a state of mind but I bet you can't hold your hand on the stove and choose not to feel pain.



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06 May 2009, 7:54 am

I'm One Happy Aspie :)
- as long as I don't leave my laptop. :nerdy:


Hahaha! :lol: just kidding! I know I'm happy as I can be because I get satisfied with simple things, "a person of simple pleasures". I find myself happy with things I live and I do every day.

Most people that cannot find happiness is because their self-realization idea, THE thing that will satisfied them, the thing that leads their actions and decisions every day OR is always out of reach OR once they get it seems that is not as satisfiying as they expected, OR that the satisfaction provided has a lot of limitations or conditions OR that they never expected to change in their way towards this self-realization so much that finally this is not what they want or thousands of other reasons.

What they don't understand is that happiness lies in you, your mind, and that the less you need to be happy the happier you are.

I think that Aspies can be happier than NT in every day life because we enjoy a lot some basic things, we need less to be happy... you just walk around feeling absurdly amused and happy just to realize how every tree shape is different, or feeling realized by understanding the logic behind things, enjoying the smells, textures and colours... this is the kind of endless happiness we enjoy secretly every day of our lives if not by remmembering by living it. We are persons of simple pleasures.

I think as well we can be more depressed than NT, as intense as the pleasure we get from AS can be, we have a lot of limitations we have to deal with every day. NT's definetly will never get to feel as stressed, comfused, frustrated or rejected as we. Specially with the social issues.

As for in life, sure TN's don't have to deal with the stress of being socially incompetent, but for them to "be social acepted" is like a weight they carry in their lifes too (if not every day like we Aspies).

Their most common mistake is to confuse "social aceptance" with "self-realisation"="satisfaction"="happiness". So they build their life based on what was told to them to be "socially accepted" or "succesful". Like doing things they don't like because of social presion, working to earn money, to pay a nicer car, to pay a nicer house, to pay 5 "socially succesful" kids, to pay a wife, to pay a big TV, to pay "successful pleople" clothes, and then to go to parties to show it off, to pay a bigger car, to go out spending money with other successful people to do nothing really special, etc. Then the money is gone in things that were never meant to make them happy but just "socially accepted". This can never get to an end or lead to satisfaction, as a fact, the happiest or more successful NT's i've met or heard of, they all had a strategy or view in life with an marked AS tendency combined with some social skills.

We aspies build our lifes based in what we find really interesting and enjoyable, and we satisfy ourselves with our laboral recognition or pursuing our particular interests. Sure we buy big TV's and nice cars but we do it because WE LIKE TO, WE WANTED TO and not because if we don't do it we are going to be jugde as less "successful" person, not self-realised or unhappy. The only thing we are missing is to comunicate acertively with the aim of convince NT's from our "self-realisation"="satisfaction"="happiness" to get not only acepted but aswell to have our person less transgressed by them.

(I don't like thinking that NT's are like sheep or something, but the logic behind is that if you dare to do other things you already don't fit in the clasification, right??)



Don't forget my fellas:

Our (social) ignorance is our happiness. 8)


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06 May 2009, 11:54 am

Are they really happier than us? Personally, I feel my highs are higher and my lows are lower... so there's no definite answer there for me.

Are NT's really happier than those with AS? Isn't this a bit farfetched, to include all NT's and all Aspies into this mix?


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06 May 2009, 2:20 pm

personally I think they are happier in a they can do more and meet people but they don't attach to much, except other people whereas AS people (or at least me) I attach myself to objects, things that will not betray or hurt me :P



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06 May 2009, 2:29 pm

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100% in agreement with you, Doc - I'm glad to hear someone else voice my thoughts. Happiness is a choice, always. Its a state of mind, and has nothing to do with getting what you want and all about appreciating what you have. It sounds trite and stupid until you realise it for yourself - then it makes perfect sense.

It's trite because it can't be backed up. It doesn't logically follow that happiness is a choice just because it's a state of mind. Physical pain is also a state of mind but I bet you can't hold your hand on the stove and choose not to feel pain.



very wetsern and middle class way to think - this happiness is a choice idea. It's a but too indulgently New Age for me. (the horrors of Louise Hay.....yikes.)
I personally believe i can implement this choice to some degree, but i am in the luxurious position of doing so by virtue of my cushy little life in Australia's subtropical east coast region... roof over head, education, water, blah blah blah.

Ask a starving kid in Darfur or its mother and i am sure the answer will be somewhat different.
A few families in Sierra Leone may also beg to differ with this line of thinking too. :?



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06 May 2009, 2:58 pm

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100% in agreement with you, Doc - I'm glad to hear someone else voice my thoughts. Happiness is a choice, always. Its a state of mind, and has nothing to do with getting what you want and all about appreciating what you have. It sounds trite and stupid until you realise it for yourself - then it makes perfect sense.

It's trite because it can't be backed up. It doesn't logically follow that happiness is a choice just because it's a state of mind. Physical pain is also a state of mind but I bet you can't hold your hand on the stove and choose not to feel pain.



very wetsern and middle class way to think - this happiness is a choice idea. It's a but too indulgently New Age for me. (the horrors of Louise Hay.....yikes.)
I personally believe i can implement this choice to some degree, but i am in the luxurious position of doing so by virtue of my cushy little life in Australia's subtropical east coast region... roof over head, education, water, blah blah blah.

Ask a starving kid in Darfur or its mother and i am sure the answer will be somewhat different.
A few families in Sierra Leone may also beg to differ with this line of thinking too. :?


I feel the same way. I'm in a very fortunate position relative to a lot of other people but my chemical imbalances still get the better of me all the time. It's possible to pull myself out of a mild depression but when I have one of my sudden bi-polar-ish lows it's like the rug gets pulled out from under me. Sheer will power and positive thinking hasn't ever been successful in those kinds of situations. I need to utilize more creative ways of coping.

Besides people who get depressed while dealing with a rough hand in life, there are also extremely successful people who end up so depressed that they commit suicide, either due to chemical imbalances or drug abuse. I don't think these people are in control or can just snap out of it.



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06 May 2009, 3:07 pm

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Say what you want.

NTs are sheople, they are robots, they are shallow, etc. But the bottom line is that they are happier than people with AS.

Is there anything is nothing more important than being happy?

All the NT bashing on this board doesn't really make a lot of sense.


It's probably true. On average, they have more friends, and having friends is a very good feeling. We have a different set of problems and for some of us don't have anyone to help us out.



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06 May 2009, 3:12 pm

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KevinLA wrote:
Say what you want.

NTs are sheople, they are robots, they are shallow, etc. But the bottom line is that they are happier than people with AS.

Is there anything is nothing more important than being happy?

All the NT bashing on this board doesn't really make a lot of sense.


It's probably true. On average, they have more friends, and having friends is a very good feeling. We have a different set of problems and for some of us don't have anyone to help us out.
I have a few "friends" a.k.a. a social life but no1 2 help me with my depression.
EDIT: I don't think most NT guys do either. Their friends just want 2 talk about sex, drugs, rock n' roll lol cuz they're shallow jock bastards.



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KevinLA wrote:
Say what you want.

NTs are sheople, they are robots, they are shallow, etc. But the bottom line is that they are happier than people with AS.

Is there anything is nothing more important than being happy?

All the NT bashing on this board doesn't really make a lot of sense.


It's probably true. On average, they have more friends, and having friends is a very good feeling. We have a different set of problems and for some of us don't have anyone to help us out.
I have a few "friends" a.k.a. a social life but no1 2 help me with my depression.
EDIT: I don't think most NT guys do either. Their friends just want 2 talk about sex, drugs, rock n' roll lol cuz they're shallow jock bastards.



Neather would your Aspie friends or other atypicals cause they are also drown in their own world. Deal with it! If you stop the rest of the world keeps moving.

Get over it or go for it, but please don't keep torturing yourself with such a lame regret.


ps: I'm saying this with the aim of help you, not with the aim of hurt you so don't take it bad.


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06 May 2009, 5:10 pm

I dunno, I've seen some pretty miserable NTs. And it's the sheople that are the most miserable from what I've seen.


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07 May 2009, 5:14 pm

Insofar as NTs are happier than Aspies, it's because the world is set up by and for the 99.4% of us who don't have autism. But as with any dominant group, our happiness is both (a) tempered by the facts of life that no dominant group status (weatlh, whiteness, straigthness, maleness, lack of "disability," class, etc.) can save us from, and (b) largely dependent on our rather tentative and arbitrary dominance which, if it ever fell, would cause us to lose our advantages. There is probably nothing inherent in being NT that makes you happier. It's the convenience of our lives created by being surrounded by other NTs that makes a lot of things in our lives easier, which helps us to be a little happier. If only 0.6% of the population *didn't* have autism, we NTs might be the ones who struggle, missing important details and sensory information and being ridiculed for our lack of independence and intense focus. In an ideal equal world where the sensory and cognitive quirks of autism were well compensated by practical technologies and NT traits were not overvalued, neither autistics nor NTs would be less happy on average.


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