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05 Sep 2010, 4:39 pm

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shoo

:? May I ask is shoo a synonym for something?


It means "go away."



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05 Sep 2010, 4:41 pm

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shoo

:? May I ask is shoo a synonym for something?


It means "go away."


Thank you.


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05 Sep 2010, 4:46 pm

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HILARIOUS!

A brand new member, doesn't know anyone or anything here, no idea of the dynamics of the forum, accusing someone who critisized seamw?

How naive are you anyway? You think you can change your forum name and we won't know? First of all, they all know your REAL name. This will all come back to you, in REAL life. What then? What if someone here calls the Bremerton Police? (360) 473-5220 and reports theft and fraud?

I still don't think this was a scam on his part. He is far too immature and naive to come up with this. The money just fell into his lap, and he spent it after he found out the "girl" has been yanking his chain the whole time. The only other possibility is that he made up the girl in his mind, for his own benefit, to ease his frustrated single life, and the story just snowballed. Pretend-girlfriend he could brag about on WP? I hope that's not the case, for his sake. 8O



If I fell for this scam, I would be giving everyone back their money. I wouldn't be spending it on things I shouldn't be spending it on.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:46 pm

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erm, he can still read these comments can't he? won't he be able to see the nefarious plans? we can't tell his last login right?

Yes, I am assuming that he is still reading this thread; the fact that in the last 24-36 hours he has made even less of his myspace page visible to the public, so that can no longer even see when he last logged on, suggests that he read my remarks about his logging in on there two days running ( 1 and 2 Sept ) being proof that he has had internet access since stopping posting on here.

I'm like b9 in that I'm not in the habit of pm'ing people; I prefer to stick to the "public" pages except for the briefest of exchanges of private info, or the couple of close friends I have on WP, but perhaps reading this here will provoke him either to explain and defend himself ( though I can't imagine what story would cover everything satisfactorily at this point ), or even to send some money back.

What I'm imagining that he will do if this proposed approach alarms him at all is warn his friends and family that somebody or group of people are out to smear him, and will change his settings on Facebook so that less is visible to non-friends. But so long as we know the names and pages of his family we can always send messages to them.

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We need to be careful here. If we are going to PM one of his FB friends, it must be done more on the basis of asking for information rather than blatantly accusing him of scamming. If there still a small chance that he wasn't intending to scam or that this girl did really say she had cancer, and his family know about then we will have egg on our faces. Rather, do it discretely in terms of asking him if he visited her yet, and if he didn't, what he did with the money.

I agree completely. Questions expressing our confusion and unease about what has been going on, and asking if they know what has happened about his sick girlfriend.

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I would give it one more week before spilling the beans giving him a chance to give his side before someone tells on him to family and friends.

I also think that this is a good idea, but perhaps some of us, those who know them in particular, could already pm the four WP members who are on seanmw's friends list to ask them what they know about this. Who here knows TeaEarlGreyHot, superboyian, MoniqueIJ, or TimTex?

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I still don't think this was a scam on his part. He is far too immature and naive to come up with this. The money just fell into his lap, and he spent it after he found out the "girl" has been yanking his chain the whole time. The only other possibility is that he made up the girl in his mind, for his own benefit, to ease his frustrated single life, and the story just snowballed.

It is just barely possible that he genuinely believed in a hypothetical gf's serious illness, at least until sometime in the last couple of weeks, and simply spent/kept the money out of a mixture of resentment, disappointment and cynical misery, ... but how do you explain the fact that he has apparently gone back to college as if he had never had any plans to spend a few days visiting her, ( after finding one excuse after another for not going before ) ... and why did he pretend that he had no internet access the week he was away camping, when his grandpa apparently had it every day? Also why did he say that his mother and sister were being evicted from their flat at the end of August and yet his mother's Facebook page makes no mention of such a thing, seems in fact pretty cheerful, talking about how she's worked out how to post more photos, etc? Why does he post about eating lots of junk food, arranging his stuff in his new room and buying a new set of bookshelves if he is so hard up ( $6/month left over after paying his rent, the last time he posted about his money situation )? There are many other inconsistencies. He posted here about his favourite sister Katie going off the rails, taking drugs, etc, and yet on her FB page she talks of moving to Boston in a week or so.

PS. I don't think it's a very good idea to start accusing all and sundry, ( esp new members ), of being imposters, etc, it risks getting this thread locked for one thing, and it's not very nice.

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If I fell for this scam, I would be giving everyone back their money. I wouldn't be spending it on things I shouldn't be spending it on.

Me neither, not in the last twenty odd years anyway. But I remember a time when I might have, when people simply weren't very "real" to me, not that it's ay excuse, it's just a possible explanation.
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05 Sep 2010, 4:48 pm

Hint: pretense stops working when you over-do it.

You are a native English speaker. You know damn well what shoo means.

Mr. I-don't-like-Facebook-and-have-no-Facebook-account, and Mr. I'd-still-donate-money-to-an-obvious-scam?

Just go away or I swear I will call the cops myself.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:50 pm

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Hint: pretense stops working when you over-do it. You are a native English speaker. You know damn well what shoo means. Mr. I-don't-like-Facebook-and-have-no-Facebook-account, and Mr. I'd-still-donate-money-to-an-obvious-scam? Just go away or I swear I will call the cops myself.

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PS. I don't think it's a very good idea to start accusing all and sundry, ( esp new members ), of being imposters, etc, it risks getting this thread locked for one thing, and it's not very nice.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:55 pm

I heard you the first time. This naive happy-go-lucky attitude is precisely what made the entire charade possible in the first place.

The identity of this "new member" is plain and obvious.

I was sure this topic was phony from the beginning. Go read my posts from weeks ago. And I'm sure now that he just re-registered a new name.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:57 pm

You think it's seanw?



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05 Sep 2010, 5:01 pm

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You think it's seanw?


I am not mr.W,


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05 Sep 2010, 5:12 pm

How do you know W stands for a last initial???



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05 Sep 2010, 5:16 pm

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How do you know W stands for a last initial???

Maybe because he's been reading the thread, ( "sean wilson" mentioned several times in last few pages ) and found it interesting.

Whether it's seanmw or not it isn't important, it makes no difference.

Let it go, don't clutter up the thread with pantomime style yes-no routines. :)

It would be a shame if the thread was locked because of accusations like this.
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05 Sep 2010, 5:20 pm

I was sceptical about the girlfriend and her illness, but the fact that it was hale-bopp, not sean who started this thread meant that I had no reason to suspect that it was a scam devised by sean.



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05 Sep 2010, 5:21 pm

Dilbert wrote:
How do you know W stands for a last initial???


It is common when someone use their real name as a username, to put on a last initial but of course since I do not know Sean, I just assume.


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05 Sep 2010, 5:39 pm

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I donated $20 a long time ago. Sean received the money order I sent him almost two months ago. Believe or not....I don't even care if I was scammed or not. It's a loss of $20 and I won't even notice it. It's not like i'm very altruistic in the first place. For one thing....I can't afford to be. All I can say is that if I was scammed, it would be the first time and it will be the last time because i'm never donating money again unless i'm CERTAIN it's going to a legitimate cause. I was somewhat skeptical of his story in the first place, but for whatever reason, I chose to give him the benefit of the doubt.
well said, i probably would have fllen for this scam. i need to read the last couple of pages better the people im helping i know are not scammers so im safe



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05 Sep 2010, 5:40 pm

Just noticed your post.

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sorry todesking is right on...it did give validity to Sean's cause that someone made a big donation---why isn't anyone seeing how this is all kinds of wrong to give money to someone without the FACTS

Yep, I think it did make a difference; thinking back I remember deciding to give money after b9 offered to give him half of the $500 he needed as soon as he raised the first $250, because it was such a shockingly, stunningly, large amount of money.

I remember that I had been thinking I wished I had enough money to pay for the whole plane ticket because I wanted to know if Adrienne's story was a scam or not, and was excited to see that someone else, who had the money, had decided to.

And seeing as they were prepared to invest so much in "finding out" I decided to invest too, ( what I could afford ), like in a game of poker, I said in the thread, paying to see the cards ...

Until b9 made his big bid I was decidedly uninterested in donating; it was so obviously a scam of some sort, and there was no fun in paying in drips and drabs so small that it would take several months to pay for the ticket. But with b9's pledge it suddenly looked like an excitingly fast process ... which is why it was so doubly frustrating then when seanmw kept putting off going.

Hmm! It's interesting how different scales of value can completely skew/distort the message an action sends; I believe b9 when he says that he donated that amount like someone else would $10, but the "power" of those hundreds of dollars was magnificent, inspiring ... yes, it transformed me from firm sceptic to interested investor!

... Interestingly I think that what I did was give money for the facts; that if I had had all the "FACTS" you refer to I would have donated nothing! :lol

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I was sceptical about the girlfriend and her illness, but the fact that it was hale-bopp, not sean who started this thread meant that I had no reason to suspect that it was a scam devised by seanmw.

And this also definitely made a difference; hale bopp's "protection" of seanmw, her "personal presentation of" the case, inclined me to accept seanmw at face value, and suspect the girlfriend, despite the fact that it was seanmw who was collecting/receiving the money, and not the gf.

I am not blaming anyone in particular though. I am, like Horus says above, not feeling that pee'd off about it, in fact as I've already said it's been rather interesting, and I too haven't lost "much" money, ... but am not sure if that means that we should essentially "let him off"? ...

I think that I will wait a couple more days and then if nothing has changed I will pm the WP members who are on seanmw's FB page, and see if one of them would be willing to pm seanmw's family on Facebook to ask what happened about the "sick girlfriend".
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