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No, it really isn't. It isn't nearly as bad as murder, torture, or cruel human experimentation, so comparing it to nazism is like comparing the size of a speck of a person's hand to the size of the Earth.

Not all of them are like that. I happen to know two people who seem to be nice to everyone and who, as far as I know, are neurotypical. I'm so sorry to hear you haven't met any of the nice ones over 40 years. I hope that changes soon.

I think those Aspies who go on hateful rants against NTs here are only hurting themselves and other Aspies in the end.

People's reactions to stories of woe depend strongly on how sympathetic the victim appears. This is the reason why the Rosa Parkes case worked so well in the public arena. If say she had been a 20 something angry black man who had been jailed for theft in the past instead of a calm, polite, bespectacled, seemingly harmless middle-aged woman her case would have not been anywhere near as successful in gaining public sympathy even if the discriminatory actions were exactly the same.

A random NT coming here and reading one of hateful threads against NTs would probably go away with less sympathy for Aspies in the end. It probably won't affect *you* specifically in your daily life but some poor Aspie somewhere will probably cop it indirectly e.g. less sympathy in their workplace/school/family for them.

The *real* danger though is that if someone was so inclined they could easily put together an article about "Aspie Nazis" with quotes from WP to show the "rise of the supremacist movement" amongst the Aspie community. Come to think of it, I'm surprised that some tabloid journalist hasn't done that already with their love of creating scandals. I've seen plenty of articles citing web-board comments from China and Japan to support whatever thesis the article is plying e.g. everyone in China hates Japan, everyone in Japan hates China, etc. I suspect it's only a matter of time.

QFT.


M.

This was such a great post. And this...



...well, I am a random NT coming here and reading a lot of hateful threads against NTs, and, I can tell you that I feel the difference inside of myself already: Unintentionally, I feel just a bit less determined to figure things out with my AS husband than I was a few days ago before signing up here. Before coming here, it never occurred to me that he was anything less than a worthy, deserving, good human being whose issues didn't color how awesome and wonderful he is, despite the tough communication stuff. I don't mean to let my outrage for the hateful things being said at WP about "my kind" alienate me from him... but I came here hurting already and I was already having a nearly impossible time staying in my marriage and I definitely did not need to hear that my efforts are seen as just more evil NT interference. I don't have the energy to defend the entire world to people who want to make it an NT issue and not a societal issue, that things out there can be horrendous. But, it's not just happening to aspies, the evil that some men do to others...

I've been raped. I was a battered woman for 7 years, and he broke my back and choked me into unconsciousness a few times. And attacked me once while I was convelescing from the broken back! I was thrown into prison for 11 days by a cop who answered one of my 911 calls about my batterer purely because he was a batterer himself and had been evicted from his home by a restraining order the night before! My kids were so bullied at school that I ended up taking them out and homeschooling them. I was molested by a teacher. And when I turned him in, I got in trouble. I was an abused kid. My father slapped me so hard that he dislocated my jaw -- on two separate occasions! I couldn't wear shorts because my legs were covered in belt marks most of the time. I had to stop wearing earrings because his assaults pulled them through my earlobes more than once. I learned to wear make-up because I was ashamed of the marks on my face, not to look pretty for boys. I was treated like absolute dirt by kids and teachers alike all through my years in school and only had one boyfriend -- the man who is now my husband -- and I had to block the door and plead with him on several occasions not to go kick my dad's *ss for leaving bruises all over my body. And I've lived through two wars (the Six Day War and the Iranian Revolution) in which we laid on the floors at night to avoid being hit by stray bullets, where I saw men being lined-up and beheaded and had to pass piled up dead bodies being burned on my way to school. My mother had me write my last will and testament at the age of 15 because we weren't sure we were going to make it out of there, and I remember saying goodbye to my other family members in that letter. I had to leave everything I loved (my books, my stamp collection, my pets) when we did finally get evacuated and I found out later (from my now husband who stayed behind and promised to try to take care of my cat) that my cat was tortured to death by being doused in gasoline in set on fire. There's soooo much more that happened to me, and I've left out the details ( ), but it's painful and incredibly unpleasant and I think this is enough to make my point.

I don't tell you these EXTREMELY private things to garner personal sympathy for myself, and honestly, it's the first time I've ever written or said all of that in one go. Mostly, I just get on with my life and try to make the next day better than the last, if I can. But I think it is important enough for me tell you these awful things I've endured so that you all can see that my NT-ness did not save me from exactly the kinds of crimes some of you have had perpetrated against you. It is not just my opinion, it is a FACT... aspies DO NOT have the market cornered on trauma... and it wasn't people's innate NT-ness that caused them to harm you. Evil and wickedness can be found in anyone, regardless of their neurology. And all of this hate speech that's allowed here is soooo triggering for people like me that I, personally, don't think I can bear to be exposed to it. There HAS to be SOMEWHERE on the net where I can go to find support and information about AS where EVERYONE is treated with tolerance and fairness. And I hear from some of the aspies here, when they attempt to justify the abuse against NTs at WP, that there are forums out there where AS is villified with impunity... does WP want to be known as the place where the same is done by aspies to NTs? If it's wrong for NTs to do it, then it's wrong for aspies to do it. We're ALL HUMAN BEINGS! And feeling like aliens on the wrong planet does not change that you're all human beings and definitely doesn't exempt anyone from treating other human beings with common decency!

In closing, I want you all to know that I intended to come back to this thread, after a good night's sleep, and own my emotionality for my first post. I felt bad that I had just "gone off" like that. After writing everything I just wrote about my life, I realize now that "doing the right thing" can't always be calm or pretty. Sometimes, it is the right thing to just stand up and shout, "NO MORE!". I think I've taken enough abuse in my life to qualify as one who can assert this, even if it does come off as less than elegantly said. And well, duh, it's going to be a bit "emotional", right? But if I emulated how aspie pain is allowed to be mitigated here at WP, I would definitely not feel an urge to apologize if I've hurt anyone's feelings. But I'm not like that, so I sincerely do apologize if I've offended anyone.

PLEASE, WP STAFF, I IMPLORE YOU, PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR IDEAS OF HOW "VENTING" SHOULD BE DEFINED.
AND NTs AND ASPIES WHO CARE, PLEASE LET THE WP STAFF KNOW THAT YOU ARE AGAINST NT HATE SPEECH.

Of course.

Hate speeches don't have to have publicity.

Why do NTs turn nasty?

Well, that's a pretty nasty way to ask a worthy question.

How about: "Why do some people turn nasty?"

*sigh*

"QFT" ?

Maybe the "ce qu'il fallait démontrer" in English?

Queen's Film Theatre, a cinema in Northern Ireland



Found it on Wikipedia

I was not aware before coming here that WP was anti-NT. I seem to have made a wrong turn into enemy territory, not knowing there was a war on. Excuse my ignorance and thanks for the info.

Peace all
Feyhera

I believe it means "quote from truth".

It's usually used when someone else has said something and you agree with it but have absolutely nothing to add (Because the original post was too perfect)

Everyone turns nasty, it's a human defense mechanism to project onto others and attack them. The trick is to make yourself less of a target, avoid antagonising someone who is projecting and not to take such situations personally or seriously. I don't think we as a group are bullied more than others, i think we exacerbate situations. What makes it worse, is everyone comes on here placing 100% of the fault onto the other person. Another obvious question which has already been touched on in the thread would be How do you know the offender was NT?

I don't think there is a war on. I see a lot of bridge-building threads and threads that are just people talking about various issues like sensitivities or how they process information. There is some venting, but it gets cooled down by people who are not in a het-up mood. As an NT here, we are in danger of becoming limousine liberals, so to speak. I really don't want that to happen and I want to be part of the bridge building.

It's offensive being grouped in with a bunch of sadists, isn't it? Don't like being lumped in with nazis? Well, that's how it feels for NTs when some of the more vicious people here lump us in with the bullies and sadists who traumatized them! Same exact thing! And NOT COOL in either case.

Metaphorically, yes, there is at least some emotional terrorism going on here at WP. "Terrorism" meaning, single individuals, acting alone (or in very small factions) who take every opportunity to cast all NTs as lessor beings and not worthy of decent treatment. Hate, even just spoken or written, deserves to be met with resistance. It has a way of destroying everything it touches. And to minimize it, is to let it recreate the world around it in its own image. None of us, not anywhere, can afford to ignore open hatred toward our fellow man. Complacency is NEVER the answer. Look at history. Or watch Jerry Springer. Or just read what people are saying over at the "Signing Off" thread. Or the "A Just a Word of Advice" thread. People here ARE being negatively effected. Both NTs and aspies.